155 points

We have this shit at work, they make it incredibly hard to get a fucking attachment as a real attachment instead of a link to their cloud

Specially annoying since my organization is “geofence” but we work with people all over the world… So MS insists on switching attachments to links nobody can open outside my country

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Blame your company for not configuring that shit, or choosing to let MS handle it all.

Personally, no company should be using Office 365 and external mail. Bring that shit back in house.

No Know (wtf autoincorrect?) why bringing it in house costs more? Because it’s worth it, for the control.

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90 points

I speak from experience that no one other than professionals should be handling their own mail servers in 2024. I worked for a mail host. The amount of spam and attacks that befall a mail provider, even a small one, is bonkers. Plus, mail is just too damn important.

I wish it wasn’t the case because the idea of everyone privately hosting their own mail servers would be pretty awesome. Sadly the modern internet makes it way too risky.

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17 points

Preach it

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I’m also not sure where they got their idea that cloud is cheaper from. On prem has always been cheaper, I’ve had to walk through fire and flames to get my company to approve cloud hosting as we simply do not have the capacity to be our own mail host. Goodluck explaining tech debt to upper management though, it’s like they’re allergic to the idea of understanding it.

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God if that isn’t the truth. We changed from Thryv to rackspace and we went from zero spam to 30 a day and this is AFTER they block a bunch. Waste of my time every day having to go through them.

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Ya JWZ I think complained about this

Edit wait see this

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6 points

On premise exchange is fucking trash. Get out of here with that shit.

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Tomato potato… My company uses MS because it’s the fucking industry default and it sucks

I would put more onus on them if we were talking about some niche thing they refused to give up. But MS is what everyone uses and they wouldn’t be able to ditch it altogether because MS has a monopoly

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And how if you share a file in Teams and then six months later you want to share a file with the same name to ANYONE else via teams, well that’s a big no-can-do. Teams just went ahead and uploaded that file to your “stuff to share” folder in OneDrive and didn’t put it in a subfolder unique to the chat, or add a unique prefix or suffix or anything because hey, you’ll only ever share a file with a particular name once in your life, right?

And nobody would ever want to share a file with the same name, but different data, right? So Teams can just give the end user the choice between replacing the current file with the new one, or sharing the same one again to these new guys, because there’s no possible use case for actually having two files named the same with different information in the file, right?

Nobody would want to share a README.TXT, or Photo001.jpg, or contact.ics, or a zip file of a folder they just downloaded from Teams’ SharePoint interface, the file that’s automatically called “OneDrive.zip” without the option to change it before saving, more than once, right? Right??

Fuck teams. And fuck Teams(New) too, just for the shitty name.

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Invoice.doc

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Note they left the “…and improved” off the (New) title.

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What about New Outlook (New) with New in the icon?

How else are you to know which version you’re using??

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2 points

Yes I HATE that so much!

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15 points

Huh? Outlook gives you two clear options when attaching a document. One is to attach as a copy, and one is to share it.

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Yes but If you chose the full attachment, half the time I just get the link

This is because MS will force it if they think the attachment is an odd extension or too big or whatever

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I think this it not necessarily a bad thing. Worked in an office where they produce GB of CAD files. Sending it as attachment would fail for most clients because of their mailbox size, and receiving it also sucks because it would clog the local outlook inbox file, and everything would crawl to a halt when you open Outlook in the morning.

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No, it only does it when it is too big. And that is very convenient rather than it trying to send your message and then giving you a failure notice. Why are you bitching about features that actively make your life easier?

There is a lot to bitch at M$ about, but this is not one of them.

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That’s probably because your file is over 10MB and would be rejected by most receiving systems

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You can even convert a shared link to an attachment by right clicking on it before sending (assuming you’re using Outlook web instead of the ancient garbage Outlook desktop app.)

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Is there any way to get it to default to actual attachment?

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1 point

Are you in France?

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113 points

That’s my data, I don’t know you!

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Oh my, what a throwback. Nicely done.

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84 points

If you save it on your computer instead of on their servers, how could they possibly be expected to analyze your data? Come on now, be reasonable!

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Yeah some people are too inconsiderate of shareholders.

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That’s why they created recent controversy with ai analysing your whole data, another reason to switch to Linux

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14 points

God now its not only word “windows” summoning the linux bros but the words “AI” as well?

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15 points

I think it’s pretty fair considering the implications of Recall

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Tbf that analyzing was happening on-device… But yeah

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But analyzed data still get sent to them, so yeah

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7 points

how would they even monetize that? so basic

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1 point

Won’t somebody please think of the starving shareholders.

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5 points

exactly! do people expect windows to scan every local file too??!

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7 points

Pretty sure it does that already, at least with defender

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2 points

Also, the explorer indexer at the very least takes note of what files it has stored.

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73 points

But you’ll at least let us take a smaller or bigger peek right? Don’t worry we have a screen recorder ready, you don’t have to do anything.

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Had that happen at work. I just drag-and-dropped a file into the Outlook web-UI, thinking it’d attach as an e-mail. Turns out, they recently changed that feature and you now have to drop into the right half of the area. If you drop into the left half, it uploads into OneDrive.

I accidentally did that. The document had personal data inside. That’s a breach of GDPR. Fucking ace.

(I’m not sure that attaching to the e-mail isn’t also a breach of the GDPR, since my company switched Microsoft 365 for various things. But yeah, I certainly would have liked a confirmation dialog.)

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Maybe next year Xbox cloud gaming should team up with Outlook and Onedrive for the “Ultimate” cloud computing conversion feature:

When you drag and drop a file into Outlook, Windows mail, or Exchange, the file bounces around like in the window like in the game Breakout. You can only attach a copy if you hit every word in your email message. If you let the file fall past the signature line, it makes a Onedrive link automatically.

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My favorite Windows drag-and-drop feature is that if ever I drag a file over the left pane of Explorer on its way to another window, the whole thing freezes up for a minute or so. I think it’s polling all the network drives just in case I might decide to drop it there, and since my NAS is turned off (it broke) it just waits until the connection times out. Of course in traditional Microsoft style this locks up the UI thread. I have to remember to drag everything off to the right and then go around.

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