60 points

If you want to convince people to become vegan,–or even vegetarian–you need to be inviting to them. The same goes for any political or religious movement; if you actively alienate people and tell them that they aren’t welcome before they can even try to join, then they likely never will.

I was a Mormon missionary. Yeah, it’s a cult. And you know how they recruited new cult members? By being extra loving and kind to people that were considering joining (and also hiding the really weird shit, like how they believe they eventually become gods themselves). It’s called “love bombing”. Mormons are absolutely, 100% convinced that they have the only correct religion, and that all other religions are false. But they will be your best friend ever while they’re trying to lure you in.

Vegans could learn from this.

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Mormons are absolutely, 100% convinced that they have the only correct religion, and that all other religions are false.

But they are!

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Do me a favour: Construct a form of activism so good it turns you vegan, then tell us about it.

Otherwise whatever ideas you have don’t seem to actually work on you either huh?

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12 points

Start by not making it appear to be activism.

Start by presenting options that are as appealing as options that have animal products and cost less than animal products. Make equivalents that have similar flavors and textures so that people aren’t experiencing a significant shift when they’re eating, because food is often very emotional for people. (…Which you demonstrate so aptly in your activism against animals as food; it’s an emotional issue for you, even if it has intellectual aspects.) You need to create conditions such that people can eat less meat, and titer down their consumption, without attempting to shame them while they reduce their consumption.

There’s a restaurant in Atlanta that I highly recommend called La Semilla; they do Cuban food, and the entire restaurant is vegan. They understand that if you want most people to even consider being vegan, they have to be presented with food that looks, smells, and tastes appealing, and it must be presented in a welcoming atmosphere. They aren’t loud or angry in their message; they’re doing good food and being a good example. Every meal that a non-vegan eats there is one less meal made with animal products, and that, sir, is progress. And it’s more progress than they’d see if they told everyone that wasn’t already a vegan to fuck off and get the fuck out of their restaurant.

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This is the most reddit thing I’ve read this year.

“Sir” lmfao.

Apparently you’ve been exposed to some restaurant that didn’t make you vegan so we should all do that which will continue not making people vegan.

That’ll save the billions and billions of innocent earthlings! Good job, you selfish, lazy, arrogant cretin. I’m so glad the world is full of people who will change when it requires no effort!

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-7 points

Are you vegan?

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26 points

Nah, couldn’t be, not pretentious or hostile enough.

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-5 points

It’s always the non-vegans that know best how to get people to become vegan, lol

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9 points

Almost like the people being sold something are telling the sellers exactly what they want to see. I wish selling stuff was always that easy.

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4 points

When vegans can’t sell the idea of being vegan to people–with the exception of selling it to people that are already inclined that way–maybe, just maybe, they should look at their sales techniques. Think about street corner preachers that use a megaphone to tell everyone that they’re going to hell because they’re fags, whores, sodomites, trannies, baby killers, whatever slur you want to use; have they ever, even once, managed to make you consider that maybe being an evangelical Christian was right for you?

Directing slurs at people that aren’t vegan isn’t going to convince people you’re right; it’s going to make people hostile and defensive. You’re creating an in-group and an out-group; you’re reinforcing your own status as a member of the in-group, while being exclusionary of everyone that is not already part of that group, or is not sufficiently committed to that group. It’s not even effective as form of negging, because negging has to be subtle.

If you want to sell ideas to people, you need to take advice from people that successfully sell ideas from people. If you don’t, well, good luck, 'cuz your gonna need it.

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39 points

Oh wow a hostile and pretentious herbavore. Never seen one of those before.

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Sir, this is a circlejerk

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2 points

This would sure bother them if they could read!

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-13 points

Wow a omnivore who can’t form a sentence without mentioning bacon, haven’t seen one of those before.

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-2 points

It’s a special category of food for them. They don’t even consider it meat. It’s some sort of icon. To be fair, I have witnessed a pair of vegans fawn over carob chips in exactly the same way. I’d love it if we could eat rationally without the fetishizing.

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No you haven’t, carob chips suck

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126 points

Fun story:

Was going to high-school in Sweden for a bit. They got free lunch over there as part of going to school, or at least to that one.

The kitchen was mandated to provide both regular and vegan options in equal amounts, despite that the vegans made up a fraction of the total school’s population. I found out the kitchen throws out the vegan stuff every day, and that it didn’t taste bad.

I’ve had bad vegan substitutes, but this wasn’t, so I added a bunch of the vegan food to my regular food every lunch.

I eventually noticed I was getting angry, hateful glares every single day from this one table where the same 12 to 15 guys sat. I asked my classmate about that and she told me those were the school’s vegans. They really hated that I touched their food and ate it along side my none vegan food, despite that the kitchen literally had to trash large portions of it every day.

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34 points

Wasted food drives me nuts

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14 points

Likewise.

After the 2008 crisis me and my family were homeless for 6 years. We survived a lot by dumpster diving, and it was quite a shock to see the sheer amount of food getting dumped, even for just minor reasons.

Like a pack of 12 fruit yogurts, of which a lid on just one was compromised. Eyup, thrown out.

And that’s not counting all the food that gets dumped before it comes to supermarket shelves.

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22 points

Vegan food can taste really good. I don’t fucking care if its vegan. I eat stuff because it tastes good.

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8 points

“deliciousvore”

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Fun fact: Since 1973 it has been legally required to serve free lunch at elementary schools every single school day, no exceptions. Since 2011 the food also has to be nutritious.

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46 points

“They accidentally used regular milk in my latte instead of oat milk, and I didn’t want to waste it and force them remake it.”

Online vegans: #ABUSER ANIMAL-RAPIST!!!

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11 points

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