take that shouldn’t be hot: except for in very small communities, mods should not do moderation on their own posts’ comment section, especially when they are the type to be super defensive and invested in their posts’ success. this is the case with those like jordanlund, flyingsquid and the PTB here.
in other words, !usauthoritarianism@lemmy.world has two mods. if mod A makes a participatory (non-pinned/PSA) post, mod B should be the one that handles violations in that posts’ comments. especially if mod A is a frequent commenter and gets into arguments easily.
I didn’t make it in the screenshot 😔
I also got banned for that LMFAO
I didn’t even say anything about the ‘strawman’ I just said that “ban you for speaking too loudly” was bad
“We’re good and you’re bad”
Holy shit lmao you can’t write irony this good.
Oh it’s irony you wanted?
What the hell is going on with that community? :D
They 100% are, and tell you that they don’t actually support Russia but have a “temporary ally” against the capitalist super power… Blablabla…
In the end they support the genocide in Ukraine, hate that genocide in Palestine and generally cherry pick what they seem fascist (the US and Europe) and what not (China, while Russia is temporarily fascist, but that’s okay because of reasons).
Those guys were never politically active in the real world. It’s super sad, because deep inside they are on the right track. They just would change one (capital fascist) system by stalinism (which they call communism).
There’s a theory that the horrible grammar of the Nigerian email scams that gave them away helped them because it automatically helped filter out the people who could have given them the most trouble and would have been the easiest to scam. The same applies to here.
I find that that’s usually the case for most people. The part of the school system that was responsible for teaching them critical thinking skills really failed them. It’s also why people try to dumb down politics into one of two sides, it’s why our government will always inevitably fail. This guy is using the authoritarian label because that’s as far as his understanding of politics go. The US is an oligarchy, the US is imperialist, the US is nepotistic, but it is not authoritarian, yet.
Having said that, there are groups certainly interested in claiming that so that the authoritarian label means less for other nations, the sort of nations they want to defend. Given the submissions in that “community”, I would say this is the case here. People who really are against authoritarians and who might believe the US to be wouldn’t go and whitewash other authoritarian states. This community is a manifestation of whataboutism propaganda IMO.
The US deserves criticism, but if you really want to make it, I would encourage avoiding places with an underlying agenda like this one. In case you disagree with me, you can test it out easily for yourself, just post there and compare the US to other countries you would consider de facto authoritarian states, and see which countries they have a problem with you bringing up for comparison.
The US is authoritarian in the form of inverted totalitarianism.
We don’t live under the dictatorship of the US government as would be traditional authoritarianism, we live under the dictatorship of capital which effectively owns the US government and controls the population by force.
You shouldn’t of gotten banned for that but at the same time mods have the right to protect their communities from people who argue in bad faith and given this is the internet it’s safe to assume bad faith. (Even if you weren’t)
Edit: it’s interesting that myself and a bunch of other queers have a very different opinion on what authoritarianism looks like compared to the average (straight male). I bet our life experience has nothing to do with it and we’re all just over sensitive whiners 🙄
Edit 2: I fucking hate liberals. Bunch a brainwashed la la land dwellers. China bad! USA good! 🦅🦅🦅🦅 (nobody mentioned China but glad it lives rent free in your head)
Bad faith…
Ok so then this is in bad faith, and so is the above. Guess we all get bans in order to “protect” communities from checks notes differing opinions.
Just because someone coined the term in 2003 doesn’t mean there were better terms to address it, and frankly, adding an adjective onto a term that doesn’t really fit it doesn’t really change the fact that it is not authoritarian. In other words, I inverted agree with you.
I also got inverted banned by them. Meaning I was never banned from the community because I never participated in it, but I was in the totalitarian aspects that their ideology would have constrained with my liberty of expression. Or something. An inverted something. I just checked in case a sudden one had popped up over there, and the most recent ban I have are from several lemmy.ml communities because of how I offended their dear Kim Jong-un by reporting on one of his bans in a way that was not in accordance with the state sanctioned inverted liberty protocols.
I find that that’s usually the case for most people. The part of the school system that was responsible for teaching them critical thinking skills really failed them. It’s also why people try to dumb down politics into one of two sides, it’s why our government will always inevitably fail. This guy is using the authoritarian label because that’s as far as his understanding of politics go. The US is an oligarchy, the US is imperialist, the US is nepotistic, but it is not authoritarian, yet.
Having said that, there are groups certainly interested in claiming that so that the authoritarian label means less for other nations, the sort of nations they want to defend. Given the submissions in that “community”, I would say this is the case here. People who really are against authoritarians and who might believe the US to be wouldn’t go and whitewash other authoritarian states. This community is a manifestation of whataboutism propaganda IMO.
The US deserves criticism, but if you really want to make it, I would encourage avoiding places with an underlying agenda like this one. In case you disagree with me, you can test it out easily for yourself, just post there and compare the US to other countries you would consider de facto authoritarian states, and see which countries they have a problem with you bringing up for comparison.
Lol, the US has more prisoners than any other country on earth, it maintains torture black sites all over the world, it’s currently actively helping to exterminate an entire country. The only reason you could say it’s not authoritarian is because, in practice, “authoritarian” just means “an enemy of the USA”
To be fair, he didnt say he was against authoritariamism.
Is communism even possible without authoritarianism?
Edit: lol I pissed off the tankies
If everything is shared under communism, that would include political power. thus (imo) communism is a direct democracy.
Edit: forgot what thread I was in. What the hell does communism have to do with US authoritarianism?
Not in the worlds current state. Communism is what comes after the worlds problems are already solved, regardless of what people on here think, its not happening any time soon.
More social policies are needed but these guys messaging is so bad and off it refuses to look introspectively they end up sounding like trumpers
You’re not wrong though. While it might be possible to do in theory people are not that nice or kind, you’ll never get everyone to share what they have and not own or try to possess things without an authoritarian government forcing it. Maybe in a more ideal world you could achieve it but that’s not the world we live in.
“Gommunism is when everyone share everything”
Communism is an ideology that states that the means of production should belong to the working class, nowhere do the principles of communism deny the ownership of personal property. Look at home ownership rates and see which countries have the highest (China, post-soviet republics), and the lowest (Germany, US) rates
Traditional communism probably isn’t possible but it’s near guaranteed that no one in Lemmy wants communism like it’s traditionally taught
Edit: the fuck are you doing in a post about USA authorianism
PTB. They have the ‘right’ to trim their own community according to such ideas as “If you disagree too loudly I will instaban you”, but it doesn’t make it any less stupid or power-tripping.
Seems like all comments here are “whatabout communism”
US being an authoritarian shithole is pretty undisputable reality. It could be preferable to debate the point than outright banning the possibly misinformed, but the assumption of military bot troll propagandist is not unreasonable.
Not really sure how you came to that conclusion, we definitely have our problems, we aren’t perfect, but we definitely aren’t an authoritarian state either
We have an Israel first rulership. Every politician pledges allegiance to Israel. Tik Tok ban is because it is not zionist media, and the theory that young people are opposed to genocide is because they use tik tok, even through IDF gloating videos promoting their attrocities are on Twitter too, as are muslim disapprovals of genocide.
You have zero freedom/power to stop your theft of war support of Israel or against Russia, Canada, Greenland, Panama or Europe. Or stopping your nuclear incineration. Citizen’s united means only rich people speech counts. Congressional bills in congress will outlaw criticism of zionism/Israel. That you are currently permitted to have sex with people you choose is against the Christofascist agenda that will be pandered to in next 2-4 years. But it is the predetermination of democratic outcomes for the most favourable to Israel, war, oil, and the extreme corruption of by the oligarchy for the oligarchy rule, that makes the US more authoritarian than governments that simply contains divisive distractions, while defending and advancing the country’s needs. “Democracy and Freedom” is complete BS used to warmonger those accused of being less liberal than apartheid ethnostate Israel.
You+state approved media have the freedom to say US is not authoritarian, while I’m still allowed to explain reality. But neither of our opinions has any relevance whatsoever on our oppression.
While this is true I’m not sure what that has to do with authoritarianism. I think the reasons for incarceration speak far more to what is authoritarian and what isn’t. A thousand people incarcerated for murder isn’t authoritarian, a single person jailed for speech is. The US doesn’t have a perfect track record there but it’s far better than most other countries.
The USA has the highest incarcerated population in the world. Per capita it’s about 2-4x the list of “authoritarian” states that usually get referenced.
Do you want to do a quick compare on the rates of extrajudicial killings as well?
I don’t know what better quantitative measurement for “authoritarian” are than life and liberty. Do you have better ones?
While this is true I’m not sure what that has to do with authoritarianism. I think the reasons for incarceration speak far more to what is authoritarian and what isn’t. A thousand people incarcerated for murder isn’t authoritarian, a single person jailed for speech is. The US doesn’t have a perfect track record there but it’s far better than most other countries.
While we aren’t as bad as some other countries we are still pretty authoritarian we have the largest prison population in the world and have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world.
That doesn’t happen without being authoritarian.
