284 points

every day it gets more incredible to me that people are so fucking addicted to fake validation and fake likes from fake friends that they still use fucking twitter

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I learned a long time ago that for me, social media is an output. I drop it and leave it. I don’t fucking care who reads it, or if they liked it.

I was going to delete this, but I guessi already typed it

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Yeah! I like my fake validation and fake likes from anonymous friends over here on lemmy. Fake friends are overrated.

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94 points

the secret is i don’t think anyone on lemmy is my friend. i find everyone here frustrating and annoying! the system works!

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1 point

You say that like Twitter isn’t also full of self-important asshats

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There’s a pretty big difference between drinking mild poisons at a Nazi bar and a local bar. Zoomed out, sure, drinking alcohol at all can be considered pretty dubious, but the difference between the two scenarios remains.

edit: replace what autocorrect put as “consistent” to “considered”

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2 points

*cries in fake friend*

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19 points

The dumbass kid at work “I just use it for the art profiles I follow.” Not worth it kid, not worth it at all.

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20 points

Ah yes… “art”.

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16 points

He does a ton of digital art, so I generally believe him on that. He’s also pretty asexual so I don’t think he’s looking at porn. He’d be more likely to be looking at Fortnite skins.

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3 points

Exactly my thoughts

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214 points

A guy from South Africa made his app anti-black? Shocking.

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120 points

The white guy who is only rich because of black oppression in South Africa, in fact.

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-58 points

Does this comment/joke assume all white South Africans are racist?

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69 points

No. It simply states that it’s not surprising when one is.

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-63 points

That’s kinda bigoted

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146 points

IDK How to tell you this, but fascist racists own everything and are planning to kill a whole bunch of people soon. I really think people are under estimating the severity of the vision these people have for the world.

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Can you quantify soon here? I agree with you that they don’t have good intentions, but I think that framing it as like, a planned genocide is not accurate. More realistically what can happen is more systemic injustices and consolidations of power to prevent anyone from resisting.

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To start with, their plan for mass deportation probably already counts as a displacement genocide. There will be thousands of deaths from it leaving aside everything else wrong with it.

There are also approximately 3 million trans people in the US. Every single one of them is in danger as the fascists’ chosen scapegoat.

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Why do you think that?

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30 points

Rwandan genocide? The Holocaust? Israeli’s war on Palestinian. Armenian genocide? US chattel slavery? Tulsa Race Massacre? China and how they threat neighbors? South African Apartheid?

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1 point

Naming genocides that happen doesn’t make the previous statement any more true.

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21 points

History, and a soupçon of paranoia

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20 points

Soupçon: A very small amount; a hint; a trace, slight idea; an inkling.

Thank you for the new word, I like it.

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2 points

more like a soup ladle am I right

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1 point

Not much of a news junkie are you?

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kill a whole bunch of people soon

If you don’t couch this a whole lot, it undermines the seriousness of what is actually about to happen.

Anything less than tens of millions dead falls short of your comment. And that’s likely not the reality.

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Anything less than tens of millions dead falls short of your comment. And that’s likely not the reality.

Trans people, the group currently most targeted for elimination by the right, represent about 1% of the US population. Jewish people in pre-Nazi Germany also represented about 1% of the population.

When Republicans past eliminationist laws meant to persecute trans people, deny them from public life, and kill them by taking away their healthcare, they are committing crimes of the same order as what Germany did in the 1930s.

That is simple historical by-the-numbers truth.

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The chilling thing for me is that Nazi Germany was able to accomplish this without the technology and mass surveillance we have today.

It will be a slow boil and they’ll arrest people one at a time for “terrorism” and such. I won’t be surprised to see extremist militias going after people as well.

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1% is 3.8 million people. They’ll likely be ostracized, forced into hiding, and we all know the effects of that.

We’re both describing terrible things, terrible things that are short of hunting people down and loading them into trains.

Your comparison does a disservice to everyone. Setting the bar at the damn holocaust gives our opponents an easy out. “They act like we’re”, “we’re just”, are the natural, easy responses.

Don’t give them easy outs. Things can be less terrible than the actual Holocaust and still be terrible.

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7 points

Maybe I’m unusual here, but if I saw 200 corpses in a big pile, I would think that someone killed a whole bunch of people.

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To your point, it’s funny how we frame things depending on the circumstances.

Growing up I always thought the Saint Valentine’s Day Massacre was some huge slaughter where hundreds of people died. Turns out it was seven people. Mobsters, actually, so it could be argued it was “gang violence”, but still. Seven people executed by a rival gang, and it’s a massacre.

At least 37 die, over 800 injured, and over 10000 were left homeless, but Tulsa ignored it for decades, then called it a,“race riot”.

Twenty children and six adults are murdered by a nutter and it’s still not a massacre, but at least it’s “tragic”, which is a step up from the average school shooting, which is normally called “Tuesday”.

Over 45,000 Afghan civilians died from 2001-2021, but that’s not a massacre, just collateral damage.

But that’s over twenty years, of course that’s not a massacre, plus they’re, you know, foreign. Now if 45,000 Americans died in one year, well, that would be different. Except they do, but because they lack insurance coverage. So, you know, that’s their fault for dying of preventable illnesses on account of being poor. That’s not a massacre, just good business.

But one CEO is murdered and it’s a tragedy again

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6 points

Is the holocaust really your measurement for the meaning of “killing a bunch of people?” I don’t think things have to get all that bad to be justified in saying “a bunch of people died.”

When you look into where contemporary right wing ideologies comes from, and what journalists are reporting on in online right wing spaces, a holocaust doesn’t seem out of the question. The Turner Diaries is worth looking into. Robert Evans is also a pretty informed journalist on the matter.

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What are you guys talking about?

Stop downvoting and tel what they are talking about lol

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109 points

People, please stop using twitter. Stop giving your attention and money to terrible people. Some people, like that white lady, are weak-minded and they will never learn.

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31 points

This — why are people even still there? Get off it, full stop.

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9 points

We’re all here commenting on it. It’s part of the outrage feedback loop.

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4 points

If your question wasn’t rhetorical, addiction is one reason I can think of. Folks are tied up in a certain kind of Feed depending on the places they go online, and twitter/facebook are aggressively designed to make you stay, right? It might be as emotionally daunting as a smoker knowing they should quit. idk - I was lucky to not invest any time with those platforms, but I have kicked one addiction and failed to quit others, so I have some sympathy if that’s what’s holding people back.

Another reason is rubbernecking at the car crash. People are still on twitter because it’s where all the drama people/news are talking about IS.

Other than that? Nazis are there to be accellerationists, and internet debate club folks are there to perform civilized discourse (“so someone reading in the future can see that the nazi was wrong”).

If your question was rhetorical, my bad.

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When I got banned from Instagram I went through actual withdrawal. I was very upset, I felt cut off from the world and digitally exiled. I still do. If I was desperate enough I could of made another account but after a decade+ with the same account - which got banned for standing up to Nazis and fascists - I gave up. Fuck Zuck. The same happened to me on Reddit too.

The technofascists hate leftists, they shadow ban them, they block their accounts, they ban at the isp level. They are propagandizing millions of people into right wing bullshit and worse.

I don’t have tik tok because I don’t trust China nor an algorithm as addictive as it but there’s a reason it’s being banned in the US: it doesn’t ban leftist content and in fact likely promotes it. Our oligarchs can’t allow that to happen. Class consciousness must be prevented at all costs or they lose their power.

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I agree completely. Unfortunately, we live in a world where the racist rapist traitor felon just won the popular freaking vote in the country the site is based in.

So even though I deleted my account a long time ago and so did half the people here, the idea of not using xitter because it’s run by a nazi hasn’t even entered into most people’s minds to be considered in the first place.

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1 point

Different people have different levels of tolerance to fecal matter. Some absolutely love the shit.

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96 points

Yet you continue to use it…

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49 points

As soon as Musk bought it I reactivated my long-dormant account so that I could delete it properly, I can’t understand why so many people are using X.

You’re all patrons of the nazi bar, only in this case the nazis bought the bar. Twitter is dead. Migrate to somewhere else like you probably have multiple times before if you’ve been on the Internet for any amount of time.

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I still have an account, but I’ve only ever posted 6 times and haven’t deleted it because I don’t wanna jump through the hoops of “sign in to see this content”, also because once and a while I’ll see a linked tweet about a game or artist or something and give it a heart

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11 points

My advice would be to just block it in an adblocker browser plugin. Even if it only takes two extra clicks it does wonders to get you into the “do I really need to see this” mindset.

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37 points

This is what I don’t get, people not migrating from a shit platform. Twitter, Reddit, Instagram, etc.

They all just reach this critical mass where people decide the benefit of everyone else using it outweighs all the negatives of the platform being abusive to its own users

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10 points

FOMO is incredibly powerful unfortunately.

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8 points

The important stuff will be reposted on another platform. It’s the whole point of !whitepeopletwitter@sh.itjust.works

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2 points

Social media addiction is widespread. Once these sites get their hooks in their users, they will keep coming back to the site no matter how it makes them feel. It takes a conscious effort to either wean off or go cold-turkey on a particular site. Many get lazy or too comfortable to make the switch.

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Part of it is entrenchment. I never did the Twitter thing. Quit Instagram simply cuz I thought the app sucked. Ditched Reddit for Lemmy because Reddit is a cesspool that gives WAY too much power to dipshit moderators.

But I’m still on Facebook simply because I use it to plan birthdays and other events because its interface for events is pretty useful and more people I know are on Facebook than other apps, so it’s just really the best option for events. I don’t use it for anything else anymore, but it wins when it comes to events. It also reminds me of people’s birthdays.

Entrenchment is why a lot of big names and reporters stay on Twitter. They’ve got so many followers it’s hard to try to get all of them to migrate.

I will say this though. If Facebook was operated by someone like Musk in the way he operates it, I’d force myself t pull the plug. Zuckerfuck isn’t great, but he hasn’t trashed Facebook to quite the degree Musk has trashed Twitter…yet.

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It also reminds me of people’s birthdays.

I don’t get it here. It’d probably take you an afternoon to put everyone’s birthday in a spreadsheet or calendar, and then you’ve made some effort to actually learning their birthdays, leading to a somewhat more personal connection with that person.

it’s just really the best option for events

I feel like this is just confirmation bias. At this point it’s literally a prisoner’s dilemma between your social circle. You could all leave and have a better atmosphere and platform, but if you left alone you’d be missing out. FOMO, etc.

I’m probably biased here as well, as my age group has left Facebook, but all I really see on facebook are big announcements like engagements, childbirths and have contacts with only distant friends that I don’t really care much about, so leaving is “easy”

Zuckerfuck isn’t great, but he hasn’t trashed Facebook to quite the degree Musk has trashed Twitter…

This is crazy because before Musk changed twitter so dramatically, Facebook was the exemplar of a bad trash platform. I have to agree that Twitter might be worse now, though.

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2 points

Even with facebook’s recent TOS changes?

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2 points

I avoid all FB products but it’s a pain in the ass when every business assumes that everyone has FB or Instagram. Local bakery closing due to poor weather? Instagram. Schedule for the small festival I’m attending later in the day? Instagram. Up to date hours for a local small restaurant? FB. Any contests or giveaways from any of the small businesses I patronize? Instagram. And friends with kids complain that their kid’s schools all use FB for critical info.

And it’s damn near impossible to really engage with the pottery community without Instagram. It’s really the defacto communication medium for publicizing any artists or craftspeople who are below the high end gallery representation level or the decent sized company level.

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I offered to help anyone on Facebook migrate with me to mastodon who wanted to. These are people I’ve known across three towns, five different jobs, and 3 schools between highschool, college, and university. I’ve gotten and given leads and references for jobs from and to so many of them, and hope to in the future. That’s the only reason I even still have Facebook. I’m about to completely call it quits and wipe everything off the account and just leave a pinned post on my profile with a link to a mastodon profile with my real name.

I put out the first version of that post while I’m getting my data fully packed up. Not a single response. Not even a like. I mentioned it on a post by an LGBT content creator I’ve kept up with since I worked with her ages ago. She’s been building up a portfolio of reviews of everything from beauty products to sex toys and has actually gotten some pretty interesting brand deals lately. She’d never even heard of mastodon.

These big social media sites are so ingrained in people’s lives in so many different ways. Ultimately you’re right but every time I see a comment like this it gives…

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21 points

I put out the first version of that post while I’m getting my data fully packed up. Not a single response. Not even a like.

I suspect many platforms detect and shadowban content like this, or at least demote it or restrict its visibility. It’s what I would do if I ran an unethical social media platform trying to increase the number of active users.

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That was my suspicion.

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13 points

Meh, there are a bajillion other ways to participate in society. Not the same thing at all. I’ve been off Facebook for over fifteen years now and it’s been great. I text or call people, and if they care about me they do the same. Sometimes I even get cards in the mail still. It’s wonderful.

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13 points

If you got zero engagement when your friends normally at least drop a thumbs up then that post never showed up on anyone’s feeds.

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You just have me the idea to maybe at least poke everyone though. Maybe that will help…

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3 points

I hate Facebook but I need it for local shit. I don’t use the timeline and I don’t post, but I need it for marketplace and for a locals forum.

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2 points

exactly

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