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Well, the AP there doing an amazing job of promoting Russia’s interests.
Instead of ten bullet points showing how and why Swann is factually wrong about Zelenskyy and the Ukraine war, they go off on a rant with barely concealed nationalist overtones about how his work was “funded” and people were “paid to promote it”. Well, stop the fucking press. Journalists influenced by governments and money! Headline fucking news.
If he’s wrong he’s wrong. Doesn’t matter who paid him, who he paid, who else agrees, who else those who agree also agree with… It matters if he’s wrong. If he is, just say it.
Trying to play cold-war era patriotism just plays directly into the hands of the conspiracy theorists who will, as we speak be saying “notice how they couldn’t actually deny any of his claims…”
what you’re doing by “risking” a Trump presidency is potentially going to hurt a lot of people
This is beyond the pale. You must have checked off on all of your entitlements before you came to this realization. Because what you’re doing by “risking” genocide being normalised is potentially going to hurt a lot of people. Get over yourself and pay attention to what’s going here.
See how pointless conversation becomes if you just assume your interlocutor is mistaken without a case.
We might as well be in a school-yard yelling “no you are…”
If you think a Trump presidency risks more harm than normalising genocide and undermining democracy, then make the fucking case. This is a discussion forum. Discuss. What is your evidence, how have you weighed it, what critique can you offer of the case I’ve made… Give us something beyond childish bleating.
I’m not required to want either.
“Either some Ukrainian soldiers die, or Putin takes over Ukraine, that’s the reality”…
“Oh! So you want Ukrainian soldiers to die!”
Being prepared to risk something is not the same as actively promoting that thing. This is not up for debate, it’s a basic fact.
I want it to be whichever results from us attempting to preserve democracy.
Our nation has taken far, far bigger risks than 4 years of Trump to preserve democracy.
Determining something to be an acceptable risk is not the same as wanting it. Casualties are an acceptable risk of a just war. No one says people want soldiers to die.
I’m prepared to risk a Trump presidency to preserve some semblance of democracy and make it clear that genocide is never an acceptable option. That doesn’t mean I want a Trump presidency any more than being prepared to risk soldier’s lives during war means you want soldiers to die.
That’s the same thing.
Your claim is that, come election time, we should always vote for the least worst party which has a chance of getting in. That’s always the Democrats and always will be if we follow your system.
So the corollary of your system is that one party runs America for ever.
So why bother with elections at all?
And let’s be clear here what you’re advocating.
In the case that the Republicans are worse than the Democrats, people should vote Democrat and no other party.
The Republicans will always be worse than the Democrats.
Therefore, people should always vote Democrat in all cases and no other party.
That’s exactly the Chinese totalitarian system. One party which you must vote for regardless of what you think of their policies.
Anyone who wants a different candidate in 2028 that supports their views needed to get really involved in 2020, at the latest.
They did.
Again, your blind faith that the system will work if only the people just tried harder is sycophantic at best, if not downright insulting.
And besides, you’re the one imploring them to just vote without any regard to policy, so what exactly is “getting involved”?
Why would the Democrats listen to anything anyone says if they’re guaranteed your vote come election day anyway?
What? A group of scientists can be pressured by government agencies to make a chemical sound safer than it is?
But, but, but… It’s The Science™…
Thank goodness there was never anything shady going on at the NIH, or CDC during Covid, like them covering up funding for the lab that might have been responsible for the entire pandemic…
Thank goodness any question of The Science™ being influenced by government was tinfoil-hatwearing conspiracy theory, just at that specific moment.
The evidence is that if they don’t vote for her then they’re going to get Trump
Yes. That’s right. And it’s entirely Harris’s fault. No one else’s. She could change policy and earn their vote. She doesn’t, and so hands the election to Trump.
Yet you’re such a sycophant that instead of outrage at her, you’re outraged at the voters whom you think somehow owe her a vote. You’re outraged at the people practising democracy for not falling into line with the authoritarians trying to undermine it.
Harris will win more votes than she will lose if she changes policy on arms sales to Israel. That is what the evidence shows - overwhelming support for such a policy among previously Democrat voters and abstainers in key states.
Candidates changing policy to meet voter’s expectations is exactly how democracy functions, even flawed ones like the US normally vaguely track voter preferences.
So if Harris changed policy she would not worsen her support, nor would she be doing anything other than her job.
The fact that she isn’t will be the single fact responsible for a Trump win, if he wins. Nothing else. Every other person involved would have been acting accordingly, only the Harris team are out of line.
They are acting undemocratically, and probably illegally, backing a genocide. And you’re defending them, and attacking the people supporting democracy and peace…