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The zateo article never says âwithholding all aid,â itâs completely congruent with the YouGov data which I also linked. It says âwithhold weaponsâ in the context of Conditional Military Aid, which is where weapon shipments are withheld as long as Israel violates International Humanitarian Law, which they are.
We, the US, are also continuing to violate International Humanitarian Law, as well as the Leahy Law, by continuing to send weapons unconditionally.
It was a single shipment, all others were not paused. Plus they continued with that single shipment anyway, regardless of the war crimes. Who gave the backlash? It certainly wasnât the American public. It was Netanyahu and other members of the Israeli Government, who are currently committing genocide.
November is not âmany months old.â
Also, 51% of Jewish Americans Support Withhold Arms Shipments to Israel. Painting the Democrats decisions to continue unconditional aid as if itâs in the best interest of the majority of Jewish Americans is untrue. Judaism is not Zionism.
Blowback is the violent retaliation that happens after repeatedly attacking Civilian populations with overwhelming force. Continuing to send billions worth of weapons unconditionally for a genocide certainly isnât helping prevent blowback.
30 days after acknowledging that Israel has committed violations of international humanitarian law and is withholding aid to a starving population is insane, especially since it places the window until after the election when people want to see a change now. Those people canât wait 30 days. The US basically gave Israel a 30-day window to continue violating International Humanitarian Law and starving millions of people before even the semblance of consequences. And it isnât conditional aid, itâs âpossible consequencesâ while the Administration simultaneously said that the warning was 'not met as a threat. â
Rhetoric is not action. The actions of the Biden Administration have certainly not been in favor of a permanent ceasefire.
The rhetoric coming out of the White House, when it has been focused on peace or restraint, rather than continuous war, has been undercut at every turn by its actions. The constant supply of weapons â $17.9 billion of bullets, bombs, shells, and other military aid in the past year â has allowed Israel to keep waging its war on Gaza, and in recent weeks, expand that war to Lebanon and threaten to escalate its conflict with Iran. Despite documentation of U.S. weapons being used in probable war crimes, and credible allegations that Israel is committing genocide in its war on Gaza, the bombs have continued to flow.
One Year of Empty Rhetoric From the White House on Israelâs Wars
Obviously Trump is significantly worse. Iâve never once told people to vote for Trump. Literally the opposite, Iâve only expressed that people should vote for Harris despite the Democratic Administrations unconditional support for this genocide. I will continue to criticize them for it until they change course.
Polling indicates that she would certainly get significant gains in Michigan and Pennsylvania, along with all the other swing states. So I doubt polling is her reason for her stance on Israel and Conditional Military Aid
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Our first matchup tested a Democrat and a Republican who âboth agree with Israelâs current approach to the conflict in Gazaâ. In this case, the generic candidates tied 44â44. The second matchup saw the same Republican facing a Democrat supporting âan immediate ceasefire and a halt of military aid and arms sales to Israelâ. Interestingly, the Democrat led 49â43, with Independents and 2020 non-voters driving the bulk of this shift.
- Split Ticket (July 2024)
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In Pennsylvania, 34% of respondents said they would be more likely to vote for the Democratic nominee if the nominee vowed to withhold weapons to Israel, compared to 7% who said they would be less likely. The rest said it would make no difference. In Arizona, 35% said theyâd be more likely, while 5% would be less likely. And in Georgia, 39% said theyâd be more likely, also compared to 5% who would be less likely.
- New Poll Suggests Gaza Ceasefire and Arms Embargo Would Help Dems with Swing State Voters (Full YouGov Report) (May 2024)
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- Data For Progress Poll (May 2024)
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Majorities of Democrats (67%) and Independents (55%) believe the US should either end support for Israelâs war effort or make that support conditional on a ceasefire. Only 8% of Democrats but 42% of Republicans think the US must support Israel unconditionally.
Republicans and Independents most often point to immigration as one of Bidenâs top foreign policy failures. Democrats most often select the US response to the war in Gaza.
I feel like my earlier thoughts are still just as relevant. I still think everyone needs to go out of their way to vote Harris, I also consider Harrisâ Campaign to be entirely responsible for the outcome. Harris got a major boost when picking Walz, his progressive policies are very popular, but now has only waned once she started moving to the right to pick up âmoderateâ republicans at the expense of her base. (Most Moderates still skew towards progressive policies)
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I feel like you have to understand the circumstances of those affected most by this genocide to understand. Itâs easy to be logical and vote Harris as she is the least worse option, but thatâs harder to do when directly affected. I consider the blame to be entirely on the Democratic Administration and Harrisâ Campaign Strategy. They have had every opportunity to change course, and them deciding not to may very well cost them the election. I will not blame anti-genocide voters, especially those who are directly affected and have lost loved ones.
Iâm still voting for Harris, on the basis that change from public pressure is far more unlikely under Trump.
The rhetoric coming out of the White House, when it has been focused on peace or restraint, rather than continuous war, has been undercut at every turn by its actions. The constant supply of weapons â $17.9 billion of bullets, bombs, shells, and other military aid in the past year â has allowed Israel to keep waging its war on Gaza, and in recent weeks, expand that war to Lebanon and threaten to escalate its conflict with Iran. Despite documentation of U.S. weapons being used in probable war crimes, and credible allegations that Israel is committing genocide in its war on Gaza, the bombs have continued to flow.
https://theintercept.com/2024/10/09/white-house-oct-7-israel-war-gaza/
Here you can track the rhetoric and actions of the Biden Administration month by month. The US has been supplying the weapons used for Israelâs genocide unconditionally for a year. Against international law, against domestic law, against the will of the majority of the population, and all with US taxpayer money. This is pro-genocide foreign policy.
Harris, instead of breaking from Biden on this issue, has not deviated. She has repeatedly ignored the voices of Palestinian Americans, Arab Americans, and Muslim Americans on this issue. These people are directly affected, they have friends and family in Palestine and Lebanon that have been killed by Israel. She has not only taken their votes for granted, but has offered no concessions and ignored their voices. People are angry at Biden and Harris for this. They desperately want change, but they donât see that from the Democratic administration.
Despite Trumpâs horrendous track record, he has gained in their support solely because of how Harris has campaigned. Itâs not logical, but itâs hard to be when directly affected by the actions of the current administration and no prospect for change. Advocating them to vote for the âlesser evilâ doesnât work when the âlesser evilâ is directly responsible for the deaths of their loved ones. Trump successfully framed himself as a Dove and Hillary as a warmonger in 2016. Heâs using that same tactic now. It would be a completely unsuccessful framing if Harris pivoted to Arms Embargo or Conditional Aid, but that has not happened.
Breaking from Biden would be a major boost in voter output.
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Our first matchup tested a Democrat and a Republican who âboth agree with Israelâs current approach to the conflict in Gazaâ. In this case, the generic candidates tied 44â44. The second matchup saw the same Republican facing a Democrat supporting âan immediate ceasefire and a halt of military aid and arms sales to Israelâ. Interestingly, the Democrat led 49â43, with Independents and 2020 non-voters driving the bulk of this shift.
- Split Ticket (July 2024)
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In Pennsylvania, 34% of respondents said they would be more likely to vote for the Democratic nominee if the nominee vowed to withhold weapons to Israel, compared to 7% who said they would be less likely. The rest said it would make no difference. In Arizona, 35% said theyâd be more likely, while 5% would be less likely. And in Georgia, 39% said theyâd be more likely, also compared to 5% who would be less likely.
- New Poll Suggests Gaza Ceasefire and Arms Embargo Would Help Dems with Swing State Voters (Full YouGov Report) (May 2024)
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- Data For Progress Poll (May 2024)
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Majorities of Democrats (67%) and Independents (55%) believe the US should either end support for Israelâs war effort or make that support conditional on a ceasefire. Only 8% of Democrats but 42% of Republicans think the US must support Israel unconditionally.
Republicans and Independents most often point to immigration as one of Bidenâs top foreign policy failures. Democrats most often select the US response to the war in Gaza.
Youâve already openly admitted to being willfully ignorant by ignoring these sources, so itâs no surprise you ignore the overwhelming about of facts about Zionism and Palestine.
The slogan From the River to the Sea is about Palestinian liberation that started in the 60s by the PLO for a democratic secular state, not Genocide. The Syrian leader Hafez al-Assad in 1966 maybe, but heâs not Palestinian.
Historian Works on the History
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Palestine: A Four Thousand Year History - Nur Masalha
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The Concept of Transfer 1882-1948 - Nur Masalha
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A History of Modern Palestine - Ilan Pappe
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The Hundred Yearsâ War on Palestine - Rashid Khalidi
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The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine - Ilan Pappe
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The 1967 Arab-Israeli War: Origins and Consequences - Avi Shlaim
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The Biggest Prison on Earth: A History of the Occupied Territories - Ilan Pappe
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The Gaza Strip: The Political Economy of De-development - Sara Roy
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10 Myths About Israel - Ilan Pappe (summery)
Documentaries
A shocking insight into Israelâs Apartheid | Roadmap to Apartheid | Full Film
Palestine 101 with Abby Martin
Life in Occupied PALESTINE by Anna Baltzer
How Israeli Apartheid Destroyed My Hometown
One year of Israelâs war on Gaza: Al Jazeera special coverage
Palestine 1920: The Other Side of the Palestinian Story | Al Jazeera World Documentary
The existence of Hamas, and any armed resistance movement, is directly due to the decades of violence experienced daily under the permanent occupation, the Apartheid State, of Israel. Itâs impossible to understand their existence if you donât understand the lived experience and material conditions they are forced to live under. There is no such thing as a perfect victim when it comes to anti-Colonialist resistance, not for the Vietcong, the IRA, or the ANC either. Can you condemn the violence of the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising in the same way as the violence of the Warsaw Ghetto?
In the Shadow of the Holocaust by Masha Gessen, the situation in Gaza is compared to the Warsaw Ghettos. The comparison was also made by a Palestinian poet who was later killed by an Israeli airstrike. Adi Callai, an Israeli, has also written on the parallels in his article The Gaza Ghetto Uprising and expanded upon in his corresponding video
The IDF Spokespersonâs Unit on Thursday released a video clip from the interrogation of a Gazan staffer
Totally not a forced confession to justify attacking aid
UNRWA Says Israel Tortured & Waterboarded Staffers, Leading to False Confessions
Not just the UNRWA report: Countless accounts of Israeli torture in Gaza
Thatâs a pathetic attempt to discredit Nur Masalhaâs tremendous amount of credentials and works as a historian. You have no clue what youâre talking about, as evident by your lack of interest in source materials about the subject, including reports by Human Rights Organizations and books by Israeli and Palestinian historians.
Gaza has never stopped being under Israeli occupation since 1967
True, already gave quotes and sources
Hamas only exists because of the Apartheid Occupation of Israel and the daily violence that has subjected Palestinians to for generations.
Also true. Hamas was established during the First intifada against the Israeli occupation in 1987, and has its origins in Egyptâs Muslim Brotherhood movement, which had been active in the Gaza Strip since the 1950s and gained influence through a network of mosques and various charitable and social organizations.
This is why Israel has peace with Jordan and Egypt.
Because they are US client States. Peace with Jordan and Egypt never meant peace with Palestinians. In fact quite the opposite, itâs enabled Israel to continue the daily violence of Occupation and Apartheid.
Also, remind me, who broke the ceasefire on 2006? On 2023? Not Israel.
There is no peace under a violent occupation and Apartheid. Palestinians have never been able to live in peace. Anti-colonialist violence is bound to happen in response to Colonialism.
Like the Jewish people that lived in Gaza in 1929? Like the Jewish people of Zfat in (1834 looting of Safed as an example, there are more)? The Christian population in most, if not all, Muslim controlled territories has declined due to persecution by Muslims.
1929 Riots
Palestinian politics was driven not only by poverty but also by religion, particularly in Jerusalem. The religious nature of al-Husayniâs own leadership as the highest religious dignitary in the land, whose authority stemmed from a Jerusalemite genealogy, turned the attention of many Palestinians to Zionist activity in that city. In 1929, when sporadic acts of violence surrounding the issue of holy places in Jerusalem turned into days of rioting, al-Husayni was unprepared. He had sensed rising tension in Jerusalem in 1928, in the face of a suspected Jewish drive to expand the Wailing Wall area, which would have undermined the holiest place for Islam in Jerusalem, Haram al-Sharif, the site of the al-Aqsa mosque. He hoped to exert control by establishing a committee for the defence of Jerusalem in 1928, to counteract any Zionist attempts to build a third Temple there.
Ironically, al-Husayni lost control because he was now trusted by a wider range of Palestinians than anyone in his family before him. The aâayan traditionally valued ambiguity and caution as the best means of navigating their communities through times of trouble. In 1928, this meant simultaneously calling for the defence of Jerusalem and discouraging direct action on the ground. But the Palestinian masses found this kind of co-opted nationalism impossible. They lived near the holy places and saw Jews praying there in unprecedented numbers, which they saw as part of a larger scheme to âde-Islamizeâ Palestine. A minor incident concerning prayer arrangements near the Wailing Wall, the western wall of the Haram, sparked violence that soon swept through Palestine as a whole in 1929. In all, 300 Jews and a similar number of Palestinians were killed.
The spillover of anger from Jerusalem into the countryside and other towns was not a co-ordinated plan by the leadership. Rather, it started with uprooted Palestinians who had lost their agricultural base for various reasons, including the capitalization of crops and the Jewish purchase of land. These former peasants lived on the urban margins, from where they participated in what to them was their first ever political, and violent, action. Their dismal conditions were not the fault of Zionism, but it was easy to connect Zionist activity in Jerusalem with the purchase of land or with an aggressive segregationist policy in the labour market.
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A History of Modern Palestine - Ilan Pappe
Those pogroms in 1834 was certainly motivated by Antisemitism, exploited under the conditions of Egyptian occupation. But no, you cannot paint the an entire people as antisemitic because of this.
Other Historian Works on the History
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Palestine: A Four Thousand Year History - Nur Masalha
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The Concept of Transfer 1882-1948 - Nur Masalha
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The Hundred Yearsâ War on Palestine - Rashid Khalidi
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The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine - Ilan Pappe
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The 1967 Arab-Israeli War: Origins and Consequences - Avi Shlaim
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The Biggest Prison on Earth: A History of the Occupied Territories - Ilan Pappe
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The Gaza Strip: The Political Economy of De-development - Sara Roy
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10 Myths About Israel - Ilan Pappe (summery)
This is a genocide on an incarcerated population, within an Apartheid State, founded on Ethnic Cleansing, which is central to Zionism. Israel has no right to do any of those things. The only real solution is a regime change to a One-State Solution with equal rights for all Israelis and Palestinians.
Ethnic Cleansing is fundamental to Zionism
Zionismâs aims in Palestine, its deeply-held conviction that the Land of Israel belonged exclusively to the Jewish people as a whole, and the idea of Palestineâs âcivilizational barrenness" or âemptinessâ against the background of European imperialist ideologies all converged in the logical conclusion that the native population should make way for thenewcomers.
The idea that the Palestinian Arabs must find a place for themselves elsewhere was articulated early on. Indeed, the founder of the movement, Theodor Herzl, provided an early reference to transfer even before he formally outlined his theory of Zionist rebirth in his Judenstat.
An 1895 entry in his diary provides in embryonic form many of the elements that were to be demonstrated repeatedly in the Zionist quest for solutions to the âArab problem â-the idea of dealing with state governments over the heads of the indigenous population, Jewish acquisition of property that would be inalienable, âHebrew Land" and âHebrew Labor,â and the removal of the native population.
Settlements and Occupation
Israel justifies the settlements and military bases in the West Bank in the name of Security. However, the reality of the settlements on-the-ground has been the cause of violent resistance and a significant obstacle to peace, as it has been for decades.
This type of settlement, where the native population gets âTransferredâ to make room for the settlers, is a long standing practice.
- The Transfer Committee, and the JNF Ethnic Cleansing, which led to Forced Displacement of 100,000 Palestinians throughout the mandate before the Nakba
The mass ethnic cleansing campaign of 1948:
Further, declassified Israeli documents show that the Occupation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip were deliberately planned before being executed in 1967:
While the peace process was exploited to continue de-facto annexation of the West Bank via Settlements
The settlements are maintained through a violent apartheid that routinely employs violence towards Palestinians and denies human rights like water access, civil rights, etc. This kind of control gives rise to violent resistance to the Apartheid occupation, jeopardizing the safety of Israeli civilians.
The apartheid regime is based on organized, systemic violence against Palestinians, which is carried out by numerous agents: the government, the military, the Civil Administration, the Supreme Court, the Israel Police, the Israel Security Agency, the Israel Prison Service, the Israel Nature and Parks Authority, and others. Settlers are another item on this list, and the state incorporates their violence into its own official acts of violence. Settler violence sometimes precedes instances of official violence by Israeli authorities, and at other times is incorporated into them. Like state violence, settler violence is organized, institutionalized, well-equipped and implemented in order to achieve a defined strategic goal.
Visualizing the Ethnic Cleansing
Peace Process and Solution
Both Hamas and Fatah have agreed to a Two-State solution based on the 1967 borders for decades. Oslo and Camp David were used by Israel to continue settlements in the West Bank and maintain an Apartheid, while preventing any actual Two-State solution
How Avi Shlaim moved from two-state solution to one-state solution
âOne state is a game changerâ: A conversation with Ilan Pappe
One State Solution, Foreign Affairs
Hamas proposed a full prisoner swap as early as Oct 8th, and agreed to the US proposed UN Permanent Ceasefire Resolution. Additionally, Hamas has already agreed to no longer govern the Gaza Strip, as long as Palestinians receive liberation and a unified government can take place.
Historian Works on the History
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Palestine: A Four Thousand Year History - Nur Masalha
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The Concept of Transfer 1882-1948 - Nur Masalha
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A History of Modern Palestine - Ilan Pappe
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The Hundred Yearsâ War on Palestine - Rashid Khalidi
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The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine - Ilan Pappe
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The 1967 Arab-Israeli War: Origins and Consequences - Avi Shlaim
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The Biggest Prison on Earth: A History of the Occupied Territories - Ilan Pappe
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The Gaza Strip: The Political Economy of De-development - Sara Roy
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10 Myths About Israel - Ilan Pappe (summery)
Itâs a genocide
Genocide
- De-Gaza: A Year of Israelâs Genocide and the Collapse of World Order - Euro-Med Monitor Report see Chapter 2 and 3
On 26 January 2024, the ICJ said that it was plausible that Israel had breached the Genocide Convention. As an emergency measure, it ordered Israel ensure that its army refrained from genocidal acts against Palestinians.
The ICJ reported, as part of its decisions in March and May, that the situation in Gaza had deteriorated and that Israel had failed to abide by its order in January.
So, when we look at the actions taken, the dropping of thousands and thousands of bombs in a couple of days, including phosphorus bombs, as we heard, on one of the most densely populated areas around the world, together with these proclamations of intent, this indeed constitutes genocidal killing, which is the first act, according to the convention, of genocide. And Israel, I must say, is also perpetrating act number two and three â that is, causing serious bodily or mental harm, and creating condition designed to bring about the destruction of the group by cutting off water, food, supply of energy, bombing hospitals, ordering the fast evictions of hospitals, which the World Health Organization has declared to be, quote, âa death sentence.â So, weâre seeing the combination of genocidal acts with special intent. This is indeed a textbook case of genocide.
More than 800 scholars of international law and genocide have signed a public statement arguing that the Israeli military may be committing genocidal acts against Palestinians in the Gaza Strip as the total siege and relentless airstrikes continue to inflict devastation on the occupied territory.
An independent United Nations expert warned Monday that âIsraelâs genocidal violence risks leaking out of Gaza and into the occupied Palestinian territory as a wholeâ as Western governments, corporations, and other institutions keep up their support for the Israeli military, which stands accused of grave war crimes in the Gaza Strip and West Bank.
Our documentation encompasses over 500 incitements of violence and genocidal incitement, appearing in the forms of social media posts, television interviews, and official statements from Israeli politicians, army personnel, journalists, and other influential personalities.
Deliberate Attacks on Civilians
Israel deliberately targets civilian areas. From in general with the Dahiya Doctrine to multiple systems deployed in Gaza to do so:
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The Dahiya Doctrine & Israelâs Use of Disproportionate Force
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âA mass assassination factoryâ: Inside Israelâs calculated bombing of Gaza
Israel also targets Israeli Soldiers and Civilians to prevent them being leveraged as hostages, known as the Hannibal Directive. Which was also used on Oct 7th.