Val

I guess that teaches me to not label both sides of my scale. It is meant to go from chaos to order, that’s why its called the chaos-order scale.

Is authoritarianism not complete societal order? A single vision of how the world should be enforced from above and preserved with bloodshed? Sounds like order to me.

You reminded me of this quote from an andrewism video. https://youtu.be/lrTzjaXskUU&t=3090. I actually went and dug up the original.

The subject is not whether we accomplish Anarchism today, tomorrow, or within ten centuries, but that we walk towards Anarchism today, tomorrow, and always.
Errico Malatesta (1899): https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/errico-malatesta-towards-anarchism

But in regards to the election I’m meh. Yeah it would probably benefit but at the end of the day voting is not radical action. Do it if you think it helps but don’t expect it to fix things. As I have said in elsewhere in this thread people should be creating strong social networks. That is anarchism. That can create change. Elections don’t. I remember reading about this in the AFAQ but can’t find it currently.

I describe what I see. Ideology is backed by action. Actions committed in the name of an ideology is that ideology. You can say you’re classless as much as you want but you won’t be classless unless you act like it. And the state-apparatus creates a class of its own. This is all very classic anarchist theory.

Aren’t the outcomes what’s important? The reds will keep telling you that they can make statelessness using the state but I don’t believe it possible. They can spout as much ideology as they want but that won’t change the outcome.

Same as any single-party state. Absolute state-power giving all power to the party turning the party into the ruling class.

Are chaos and order not opposites of each other? If I make a scale from chaos to order should I not have complete order on one side and complete chaos on the other? Is that not how scales work?

What does micromod mean?

Please refrain from personal insults. I know it’s a bad take but try to remain civil.

I can’t just tell people to vote if I don’t think it achieve anything. I have to tell what I think you should do. Creating strong social networks is the anarchist thing to do. Given the rising socio-economic/climate tensions, a storm is absolutely brewing, and it’s a good reason to tell people to band together.

How would you recommend displaying this graphic instead? horizontally? I guess it would work. This is just how I saw it in my mind so I drew it, and considering no-one else has commented I think most people get it.

Yes. Murdering people causing chaos is very orderly. I am an anarchist. I exist in that green-blue part on this graph. I do not think societal order is a good thing. It means disorderly people need to be disposed of. I view the ability to cause disorder synonymous with freedom. Chaos is needed for growth, progress, innovation. Totalitarianism is the definition of order. “anyone who doesn’t fit” is “people who create chaos”.

Police create order by arresting troublemakers. Totalitarian police create it by killing. Both are order, and, in my eyes, both are evil.