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Excuse me, can you even read? Please cite a direct quote from the ICJ ruling that clearly states that Israel is committing a genocide. Can you do it? Of course not, because they never did.
You are still avoiding addressing this point.
You haven’t established any knowledge about any of those issues.
It’s clear to me, based on what you’ve said, that you know nothing about Israelis (Arab and Jews), Jewish culture and history, Israeli politics (foreign and internal) and Middle East geopolitics.
They did not wish for sovereignty over themselves within a nation-state framework in the Middle East.
That’s true for most of Jewish history, but the author from Haaretz (Sand) is not explaining it in this article. I’m surprised he doesn’t mention Jerusalem even once in his opinion piece. The city of Jerusalem is mentioned in so many Jewish prayers and practices, only maybe surpassed by the story of the exodus from Egypt.
The original article (from ajc.org) does provide the main (religious) reason for the fact that only small groups of Jews immigrated to the land of Israel before the 19th century.
Traditional Jewish religious thought stated that the Jews had been exiled from their homeland as a punishment from God. They could only return in Messianic times. This belief kept most Jews from thinking about a return to living in Israel.
Also, when you’re a persecuted and an oppressed minority for 2000 years, it’s very difficult for you to believe that you could take your fate into your own hands. Think about the profound ideological persuasion you need to have in order to think you can fight against the British empire or the Ottoman empire, and establish a safe homeland for your people.
Only after the horrors of the holocaust and the establishment of the state of Israel, there were mass immigration of Jews to the land.
Anti-Zionists on Lemmy hate facts.
This is also relevant to you. You haven’t established any knowledge about any of those issues.
It’s clear to me, based on what you’ve said, that you know nothing about Israelis (Arab and Jews), Jewish culture and history, Israeli politics (foreign and internal) and Middle East geopolitics.
You are spewing out nonsense based on a false narrative. If you want to establish common ground based on actual facts, you are more than welcome.
It’s pretty obvious what Israels goal is and has been for the last decades. Steal land, just look at the west bank or even a map.
Why would anyone pay me? I’m just a random guy on the internet.
Do you get paid per argument?
All the things I’ve mentioned are relevant. Many people are talking out of their asses without knowing anything about this conflict. They don’t make the minimum effort to learn the basic things, they just follow the mob and reuse their words without understanding any of it. Some Israelis do it, some westerners do it, some arabs do it.
And all of these useful idiots are being manipulated by Islamists, radical left people, white supremacists.
You mentioned a lot of unrelated stuff lol
You didn’t address this point.
If Israel is committing genocide (which is not), it’s the worst implementation of such policy. They could kill hundreds of thousands of people in a few days, and that never happened.
This is also relevant to you. You haven’t established any knowledge about any of those issues.
It’s clear to me, based on what you’ve said, that you know nothing about Israelis (Arab and Jews), Jewish culture and history, Israeli politics (foreign and internal) and Middle East geopolitics.
It is correct that 2 wrongs doesn’t make a right. And you still haven’t demonstrated that there are massacres or a genocide in Gaza committed by the IDF.
the attack on Oct 7 does not give anyone the right to commit their own massacre or genocide.