worker_bear [comrade/them]

you just unlocked a memory of that one scene in Pumping Iron where someone asks Arnold if he wants some milk and hes like “babies drink milk, men drink beer”

GOOD post

@frank nice empire dude

get the fuck out of that house my guy

I don’t think the claim is necessarily that tribal economies are inherently communist, rather that certain groups certainly were. Societies marked by an organizing ethos of “from each according to means, to each according to needs,” no class hierarchies, robust social structures and welfare programs, and quite literal communal ownership of means of production – if we are not going to call that communism, I think we’re denuding the term of all meaningful content. I also think we should seriously scrutinize our reasoning for saying, “this was communism over here, but this small tribe or social state can’t reallllly be communist.” Not impugning your motives in any way, as I wholly agree with your critique as it was stated. I just think we should be careful here.

Personally, I think the most pragmatic thing to do is go case-by-case and distinguish between communism that proceeded capitalism (whatever you’d like to call it) vs Marxist communism, characterized by a transition away from a capitalist state, which is obviously an inherently modern phenomenon.

it is fucking astounding the number of “intellectuals” who still think Darwinism is a moral framework. READ DARWIN YOU FUCKING FUCKS!!! THE WHOLE POINT IS THAT IT’S A WASTEFUL, AMORAL SYSTEM, and imposing it deliberately IS FUCKING EVIL!

one of my favorite lectures of all time is this lecture by Stephen J Gould on Darwin’s revolution in thought

Communism in the Bolshevik sense really only “failed” because it existed in a context of warring capitalist nation-states with massive monopolies on imposing international violence, which strangled it from without. There were internal factors too, to be sure, but Communism in it’s purest abstracted sense has existed successfully for centuries in societies all over the world, either before the age of the great capitalist empires or in isolation from those empires. Graeber/Wengrow detail in the Dawn of Everything that many of the native american tribes we genocided, to name a single example, lived in a state that we could only call communistic.

It’s almost like as soon as the entire world is subjugated to the idea that profit for its own sake is immutable and good, and then that imperative is enforced upon the world by violence, ideologies that place the health of societies over profit can’t exist??

the meaning of the term ‘value’ in Marx, i.e. that it is a technical economic concept, not a moral one

We’re so used to thinking of our fiscal debts to financial institutions and creditors as an extension of our social obligation to one another. It’s perverse. Liberals especially love thinking along these lines - it appeals to their love of politics as a vessel for virtuous self flagellation (austerity politics, bootstrapping, individual choice/responsibility, etc, all the shit that exemplifies how liberals are in fact right-wing), as well as their sycophantic and undiscerning adulation for institutions. You’ll probably never get any of these people to pick up Capital, let alone give you a rebuttal to something like the labor theory of value (as you mention, these people are not serious), but you might be able to make inroads by pointing them to David Graeber. The first chapter of Debt, “On the issue of moral confusion,” addresses this topic directly.

Side note, Trillbillies just had a guest author on whose work dealt with this concept, and I could not believe they didn’t mention Graeber even once.

:graeber:

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i think there was a “share your radicalization story” thread a few days ago, I totally should have posted this