Whataboutism exists to show fucks like you contradictions in your beliefs, not to excuse what is happening. Opposition is so strong in any capitalist country nowadays, isn’t it? Freedom of speech is universal right, until couple of journalists say something too “freespeachy”. Sure, making people to vote between two indistinguishable candidates is fine, but when one guy wins throughout the years - FREEDOM IS LOST, AUTHORITARIANISM IS ON THE RISE. Play pretend game of thinking that these two are so different, that one can be called democracy and other is fascistic dystopia is really funny.

AND OF COURSE THERE IS A FUCKING NAZI SLOGAN IN THE FLAIR, HOW VERY DEMOCRATIC.

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What’s funny is they don’t know what whataboutism is. If someone says “Russia is doing a bad thing” and I reply with “USA is doing that same bad thing”, that’s not whataboutism. I’m speaking about the same topic you are. If I were to say “USA is doing some other bad thing (that wasn’t related at all to that topic” then that would be whataboutism.

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That’s what it academically means.

Real word use its literally just a new word for hypocrisy that in their minds makes rhe hypocrisy thing not count.

Ironically its the same thing as the whole fake news thing. It was originally a literal deffinition but then chuds drove it into the ground until it meant “news I don’t like”

Liberals did the same thing and now whataboutism is “a valid point that I don’t like”

It really is hilarious they think they’re different, let alone better than red Maga.

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Ironically, you misunderstood whataboutism. A few definitions for context:

  • “the act or practice of responding to an accusation of wrongdoing by claiming that an offense committed by another is similar or worse” (Merriam-Webster
  • “the strategy of responding to an accusation with a counter-accusation instead of a defense of the original accusation.” Wikipedia
  • “a conversational tactic in which a person responds to an argument or attack by changing the subject to focus on someone else’s misconduct, implying that all criticism is invalid because no one is completely blameless” Dictionary.com

The specifics of the definition change, but the broad idea is consistent. Your example of “but what about the USA” is a perfect example of whataboutism because not only does it not address or defend Russia’s “bad thing” but it also attempts to redirect the accusation to a different country.

But simply calling something “whataboutism” doesn’t mean the person bringing up someone or something else doesn’t have a point. It’s frustrating seeing someone say “oh you used a whataboutism, you have no argument” because it’s still good to note if the pot is calling the kettle black.

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You really thought you was doing something with this long ass effort post I know your fingers hurting like shit

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Who let them try to cook

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I love replies that don’t even try to refute someone’s obviously correct point. Something juicy about it

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But simply calling something “whataboutism” doesn’t mean the person bringing up someone or something else doesn’t have a point.

Horseshit, y’all use it as a thought-terminator and nothing else. So 'til THAT meta changes, you’re full of shit, and STILL not worth debating because you have literally no moral high ground to criticize the actions of any other fucking country with your four hundred unbroken years of genocide, slavery, and fomenting of terrorism.

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I mean I agree with their comment and I’m not American. I get a ton of people on Lemmy bringing up the US out of nowhere as some gotcha. That’s what I’d call whataboutism.

Quite a few other counties in the world than just the one being criticized and the US.

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If they use a “but you use whataboutism”

Just tell him, fallacy fallacy…

After all, it’s deeply unserious all around here?

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