Three soldiers pounce on a shepherd sitting outside his sheep pen. They knock him over and then one of them shoots him to death at point-blank range. Fakher Jaber, a father of four, was suspected of involvement in an incident that probably never happened

On the last day of his life, two and a half weeks ago, the shepherd and his wife got up at 5:30 A.M., as usual, and immediately went out together to milk the ewes. With their flock of 120 sheep, their work is never done. Maryam recalls now that they didn’t manage to eat breakfast before the daily Ramadan fast began. After about two hours they finished milking. Fakher took the sheep out to graze and she began to make cheese from the milk, which they sell in Nablus to help make their living.

After he returned the sheep to their pen, Fakher sat down near it, removed the Quran from his pocket and began to read from it. Maryam finished making dinner. She remembers that everything was normal and relatively peaceful that afternoon, in this beleaguered community, living under the constant threat of invasions by settlers. Suddenly Maryam heard shouting. She rushed outside and saw three Israelis in uniform yelling at and wrestling with her husband. One of the men was masked, which led her to believe that they were settlers – of the type that frequently assault the shepherding communities, graze their livestock on the residents’ lands and water their flocks from their wells.

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Hamas beheaded babies and set entire civilian families on fire.

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How does the atrocities of Hamas relate to the murder of a Palestinian shepherd?

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I’ll pretend this is an honest inquiry.

They relate, directly, because what is happening now is that Israel is attempting to eradicate and eliminate Hamas, once and for all.

The problems people have with “proportionality” collapse under any scrutiny… Should the US have stopped attacking Japan once we reached the total number of servicemen killed at Pearl Harbor? Or the allies stop once a “proportionate” number of Germans had died?

No, obviously, because these were enemies openly dedicated to taking over and/or wiping out whole populations. Were innocent civilians killed in the process? Certainly. Is Hamas deliberately seeing to it that civilians are used as defense and propaganda sacrificial la,bs? Unquestionably.

Finally, Hamas could end hostilities today by returning all hostages and surrendering its leaders to an international court. But the PR game is wildly successful, especially among this crowd, so why would they ever?

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Hamas could end hostilities today by returning all hostages and surrendering its leaders to an international court.

there is no reason to believe that. the wall would still be there. palestinians would still be subject to arrest and imprisonment without trial. they would still suffer under a blockade.

the hostilities have never ended since 1947.

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Was Hamas in the pants of that Shepard? (Because he was shot near the groin)

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According to your logic it’s perfectly fine to kill innocent people, civilians, kids, starve them to death, destroy their homes and infrastructure, destroy all their hospitals, occupy them and create from their land a wasteland? Is this what you want to tell me. And if you seriously think so I can only feel sorry for you.

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None of that relates to this murder as based on the description of settler concerns, which are more of an issue in the West Bank rather than Gaza, I’m guessing that this happened in the West Bank. (Where Hamas is not the government.)

Whether the murderers are IDF or settler militants is immaterial to the point of this being an unjustified killing of a Palestinian shepherd living in the West Bank, who is rather unlikely to be a Hamas fighter or involved in the 7th October attack.

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Oh cool 6 months in and the beheaded baby bots are still going. Nobody told you that’s all fake yet?

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Ask yourself that question. The beheaded baby narrative is a proven lie. And it has been proven as a lie over and over and over and over again.

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Ok, how does that justify Israel troops murdering civilians minding their own business?

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It’s fine y’all just look at his posts, textbook troll

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And Israel murders Palestines at a scale that dwarfs any responses they’ve made, sometimes as a part of this cycle of violence, some just because they want the land they are on.

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If we’re just making comparisons to justify murder, do you know what’s worse than murdering 7000 people? Murdering 30000 people. But being better by comparison doesn’t make you right. There will always be someone worse to compare yourself to.

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Hamas beheaded babies and set entire civilian families on fire.

Two wrongs don’t make a right.

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