Good thing we (the US) lost the war, or this lady would probably have her own team of lobbyists running their country.

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While I agree in principle I tend to think there are still unforgivable crimes and irredeemable people out there.

Then you don’t agree.

I wasn’t aware crime was about forgiveness.
I thought in-so-far as societies implemented systems of justice, their purpose was restitution and rehabilitiation.

No one gains anything from a person—irrespective their prior actions—being murdered and we all lose a bit of our soul each time a state execution is allowed to take place.

I really expected better from Vietnam, whose “quarantine at gunpoint” public health policies I heartily endorse.

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Alright. I DON’T agree.

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Alright. I DON’T agree.

You should; death as a post-hoc punishment is abhorrent and serves no one.

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I still don’t agree.

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then you don’t agree

Allow me some cognitive dissonance because I really don’t know what society should do about psychopaths, predators, or cases like those execs who put melamine into milk to spoof the protein metrics, leading to the horrible deaths of a large number of babies.

Holding them indefinitely is a useless drain on the state, killing them leads to the inevitability of innocent people dying.

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Allow me some cognitive dissonance

Not if you use it to advocate state murder I won’t.

killing them leads to the inevitability of innocent people dying.

Innocent people will always have the ability to die, no matter how many people your state murders.

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If child predators get executed, I don’t lose “a bit of my soul”, I gain more confidence that the world is now a better place.

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Huh. At least where I am from “Death penalty for child predators” is a common far-right talking point.

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You’ve exposed me! I don’t sympathize with child predators, so I must be a Nazi!

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And if an innocent person gets executed for the crime?

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And do you think these child predators had charming upbringings? Or perhaps they were filled with horrors and trauma?

Yeah, there are absolutely evil people out there, and if you think the state should execute them, that’s your opinion. But to think that all heinous crimes come from a vacuum is naive.

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I gain more confidence that the world is now a better place.

Oh word? Did the horrific thing they did no longer happen?

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They won’t repeat the horrific thing they did while dead, that’s for sure.

I’m against the death penalty but it’s not hard to see why some people support it.

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I’m not even going to dignify this response. Have a nice day

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Child predators have recidivism rates of 10-35% depending on which studies you’re reading. Each one of those assaults is a potentially life-altering trauma induced in a child. Exactly how many should someone be able to do before we consider they’re not going to be rehabilitated?

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