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Good luck harvesting a field of soy without crushing a few field mice or worse

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80% of soy is fed to animals for humans to exploit, so not really sure what you’re getting at.

A plant based diet eliminates the vast majority of animal suffering (bonus points for reduced climate destruction, antibiotic degradation and future pandemic likelihood)

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A plant based diet in the current food system produces massive amounts of animal suffering. If everything more complex than a nematode is sentient then you just have to accept that sentient suffering is the price for a large human population no matter what they are eating.

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Sure, but you can’t let perfection be the enemy of progress.

That would be like saying, “Antibiotics cause digestive upset, and you already have a deadly bacterial infection in your colon causing digestive upset, so you’re just going to have to accept the infection because the antibiotics aren’t going to fix the digestive upset.”

The plants are already being grown. Whatever animal suffering exists from the plant being grown is going to exist either way. What we can do is eliminate or reduce the middle layer of additional animal suffering that comes from raising animals for food.

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You produce far more animal suffering by farming/eating animals. Most of those animals people eat have to be fed, you know.

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Gee gosh, haven’t heard that clever and witty argument before. Not even vegans are trying to be perfect, they’re trying to minimize suffering. The top comment didn’t say they’d care about field mice, they said they don’t care about sentience because they take pleasure in the products of its destruction. Not really interested in talking any more with someone that misses the point so obviously whenever on purpose or because of a lack of mental faculties. Bye.

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You’re just comfortable with suffering you’re willfully ignorant of. You don’t care about sentience any more than they do.

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So why bother limiting harm eh, let’s just go gloves off psycho because animals might die by accident while we’re trying to avoid harming them.

Braindead logic.

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we have to eat something. Vegans are aware of the suffering that farming plants causes. Unless you’ve got some alternative for people to survive.

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