A top Hamas political official told The Associated Press the Islamic militant group is willing to agree to a truce of five years or more with Israel and that it would lay down its weapons and convert into a political party if an independent Palestinian state is established along pre-1967 borders.
The ANC in South Africa was largely ineffective. Mandela specifically is a great example of how people can get much more done as moderates than violent radicals. He would never see any sort of true progress until after his imprisonment and subsequent putting down of arms.
That’s not a clean experiment. Moderation gives you nothing when the oppressing side knows you can’t do violence.
The only thing that kept the apartheid gov in place was US and British support. There’s a reason the Berlin wall was a big deal for SA. Similarly, Israel’s current existence as a colonist state and the dominant power in the middle east is only possible because of daddy America. If not for our support (and emigration, many settlers are from the US) they would likely cave to international and internal pressures (like in Argentina, Chile, South Africa, and others)
I hope that Joe can finally get the balls to do it. People are pissed off and he’s going to lose the election if he doesn’t do something, which is a shame as his government isn’t great but it has been a lot better than many previous ones, and especially has done a lot concerning monopolies (insofar as taking them to court). Also though I don’t want to live in a fascist shithole under Trump.
For Israel - maybe. I’m not sure it’s possible to drop such amounts of support and cooperation, likely with enormous volumes of defense-related corruption involved too. There’ll be assassinations to not allow that to happen.
I’m just saying that in most cases of oppression over the world moderation without potential for violence will just get you imprisoned and possibly killed.
I recommend reading about the ANC before posting about it because the literal opposite happened. You got the American fairy tale propaganda version.
What really happened is that after his imprisonment for peaceful protesting, Nelson Mandela realized that Apartheid Nazis don’t listen to words so he started leading a violent resistance and got put on the American terror watch list.
Nelson Mandela’s legacy: As a leader, he was willing to use violence
To many South Africans, particularly within the African National Congress, Mandela was a great man partly because of his willingness to use violence, not in spite of it.
Many believe apartheid would have endured much longer if he hadn’t rebelled and overturned the ANC’s long-standing nonviolence policy.
You are talking about young Mandela. He went to prison for 20 years and changed his mind about a lot of things.
It was only when all else had failed, when all channels of peaceful protest had been barred to us, that the decision was made to embark on violent forms of political struggle.
https://www.azquotes.com/quote/658964
Hamas is not a protest organization. They pick up the gun first, not last. They have direct connections to Iran and Syria, who could put more diplomatic pressure in favor of a peaceful solution. But none of them want that.
They want to kill for revenge and domestic support and personal gain. Someone like that will never make peace. Just like Netanyahu.
Hamas is not a protest organization. They pick up the gun first, not last.
If you just ignore the peaceful Great March of Return your argument makes sense
Too bad that Hamas did do a peaceful march first, probably knowing that israel would never respond to it. But they still did it. Why? o cover themselves against baseless accusations like those of yourself that would bring up that “they should have tried something peaceful first”.
Hamas did a peaceful protest. Israel massacred them.
Someone like that will never make peace.
You can scroll up and read this article. It says Hamas wants peace. Who doesn’t want peace? Israel.
