A top Hamas political official told The Associated Press the Islamic militant group is willing to agree to a truce of five years or more with Israel and that it would lay down its weapons and convert into a political party if an independent Palestinian state is established along pre-1967 borders.

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Hamas “fought back” by breaking down the doors of Israeli homes and slaughtering the families cowering inside. Gunning down teenagers at a music festival and kidnapping the survivors. That wasn’t strategy. That was fanatical hatred, cowardly, and evil.

Hamas are cowards, perfectly happy to sit back and watch innocent Palestinians be slaughtered in the aftermath.

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The IDF has killed 11 thousand men, 9 thousand women, and 14 thousand children, making 34 thousand total killed (an unknown number of which were civilians). Hamas has killed 0.6 thousand military personnel and 0.8 thousand civilians, making 1.4 thousand total killed (57% of which were civilians).

The number of children killed by Isreal (only children) is 17 times larger than the number of civilians killed by Hamas. Of course that doesn’t make killing civilians OK, but I struggle to see an argument that Hamas is worse than the IDF. And if Hamas is the only method by which Palestine can defend itself, then there is a solid argument to be made for it being the lesser evil.

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Both groups are murderers. One is just better equipped for it. Hamas hasn’t killed less civilians out of some kind of restraint or combat disipline, they just don’t have the same capability as the IDF. Meanwhile, Israel is gleefully using all the free shit that it’s allies are supplying it with to kill every man woman and child in sight. Fuck Hamas. Fuck Israel.

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If you ever find yourself on either side of asymmetric warfare, and you’re killing kids…you’re the bad guy.

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Do you have any proof to back up your statement that Hamas ordered killing of children?

If you expect decency from malnourished oppressed people i would just call you entitled

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Good thing Hamas barely killed any kids. Less than 3% of the deaths.

Israel kills 40% children.

Wonder who the bad guy is.

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And accidentally killing 33% IDF soldiers and destroying every military base next to the Gaza strip. Just pure coincidence.

Hamas has the civilian casualty rate which israel claims the IDF has. And israel has to lie about it.

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Actually 45% soldiers. 824 civilians were killed and 678 soldiers and police were killed on October 7th, according to Israel.

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Hamas killed soldiers so that they would free to go on their rampage against civilians. Israel accidentally kills civilians as they are trying to fight an enemy that hides behind them and camouflages themselves as civilians precisely to blur the lines between civilians and soldiers. That’s the difference between the two.

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Israel isn’t accidentally killing anyone. They’re stright up murdering civillians. Let’s not pretend the IDF is any better than Hamas.

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I literally don’t know if this is true any more.

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So

Hamas is killing soldiers “so they can go after the civilians”.

Israel is killing civilians “so they can go after the soldiers.”

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