Comment by bloodfart@lemmy.ml on bUt BoTh SiDeS dA sAmE

So what’s your red line? If genocide isn’t enough to get you to turn your back on the democrats at the very least unless they drop Biden from the ticket, how far is too far? How bad can it get before you decide it’s more important to support a third party you actually believe in?

Mine wasn’t even the genocide.

I’m not sure what about the logic of “we’re getting one of these two” isn’t getting through.

One of these two are going to be elected
One is clearly better than the other
Voting for the better of the two has a chance to mitigate damage and has already proven to be a better choice once before

As soon as #2 stops being true I’ll have to reevaluate.

I will celebrate #1 being false if I ever live to see first past the post die in this country but I’m not holding my breath.

I get over what I wish would happen and deal with facts.

Okay, but like I asked, when do you turn your back on that and work toward something else? When do you say to yourself “it doesn’t matter which of these two are better by whatever metric, I won’t stand by and assent to either of them”?

Surely some action by the Biden administration is far enough beyond the pale to make you look for a different option, right?

Even if you took a purely utilitarian approach, at some point both major parties are so far beyond what you consider acceptable that the effect of a third party vote cast with full knowledge that party won’t win is of greater utility than some poison compromise.

Surely some action by the Biden administration is far enough beyond the pale to make you look for a different option, right?

many liberals do not have a cutoff point here. if Democrats were having people executed in the streets, they would argue that more people would be executed in the streets under Republicans, so leftists who don’t vote Democrat are morally bankrupt and effectively on the side of the Republicans.

oh, wait, that’s literally their argument for this election, it’s just that said streets and people happen to not be the good ol’ US of A.

Are you referring to the wholly justified war in which our allies regularly warn citizens with loudspeakers, dropped flyers, and phone calls where they’re headed next so civilians can evacuate?

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Due to this well thought out reply I have reconsidered my position /s

Surely some action by the Biden administration is far enough beyond the pale to make you look for a different option, right?

What other option?

This bullshit is exactly what I was talking about. “C’mon, let’s vote third party. I know we can’t win, but morals.”

And elect Trump? Fuck no.

I wasn’t framing a moral argument. Don’t you have a point Biden could cross after which you’d see more utility in building up a third party for next time?

What do you think will happen if trump is declared the loser?

Don’t you have a point Biden could cross after which you’d see more utility in building up a third party for next time?

You keep acting as if #1 above won’t be true at some nebulous point in the future. Why?

What do you think will happen if trump is declared the loser?

The same thing(s) that happened last time, probably. Rightoids will cry false election, lots of lawsuits, etc.

I keep acting like there’s a possibility of getting someone other than Biden or trump because there is.

I made reference earlier to Biden stepping down at the convention. That’s possible, although we’d need another ‘68 to prompt it. I think that’s more likely than trump not getting the nod at the rnc, but I’m sure they’ll be some subset of weirdos there calling for their own guy instead of him.

But let’s assume there’s no chance of getting a different candidate from one of the two parties. Even then, like I said earlier, Biden was past the pale for me years ago. Im not gonna vote for trump unless his platform changes wildly, so in that case im not acting like your assertion isn’t true, im acting like it doesn’t matter.

Because to me it doesn’t.

And I keep asking you where your limit is. Because everyone has one.

So how far is too far for you? When do you look at two distinct bad choices and say “no thank you”?

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