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Bidens opponents stance is irrelevant. You smooth brains keep painting this as if its a choice along a spectrum.

No one who would is voting for Trump is going to vote for Biden, and no Biden voters are going to move to Trump. Maybe an irrelevantly small portion, but so small that we can and should ignore them. The voters are locked into their preference, but they aren’t’ locked into showing up yet.

Both candidates are competing only between themselves and staying home. Both Trump and Biden are in a race to the bottom to see who can convince more voters to stay on the couch in November.

Maybe someday you’ll develop some semblance of political acumen to actually understand how and why elections are won in lost, but if you have any, you and the rest of the apologists sure aren’t showing it. We’re in an age of populism. The center did not hold. Obama was wrong. You win elections in a post 2016 world by people out to vote for you. Its not that complicated.

Biden’s opponent in this election isn’t Trump.

Its Biden.

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No one who would is voting for Trump is going to vote for Biden, and no Biden voters are going to move to Trump. Maybe an irrelevantly small portion, but so small that we can and should ignore them.

Around 7% of all votes cast are swing voters whose presidential preference by party is unpredictable election-to-election. Surely a teensy, tinsy amount. Nothing to worry about. I’m sure US presidential elections aren’t decided by much smaller percentages.

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Biden needs to get Biden voters to show up. Period.

Biden doesn’t need to be worrying about an unreliable 7% when he’s lost a reliable 10%.

These aren’t a “maybe he’ll win, maybe he’ll lose” 10% of voters.

These are a “Biden CAN NOT WIN THIS ELECTION without them” 10% of voters.

Fuck the swing voters. Biden can’t get enough reliably democratic voters to vote for him. That’s an issue ORDERS of magnitude larger than trying to capture swing voters.

People aren’t writing in “uncommited” because of Trump. They are writing in “uncommited” because of Biden. Nothing Trump does is going to change them because its not like they aren’t flipping from Biden to Trump. They are flipping from Biden to “I can’t in good confidence vote for a guy who supports the whole-cloth genocide of a people”.

To the primacy that started this thread:

Criticism of Trump is irrelevant because its not Trump hurting Biden in the polls.

Its Biden hurting Biden in the polls.

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Ah, yes, everyone in the uncommitted campaign in the primary is now going to not vote, or vote third-party.

They are flipping from Biden to “I can’t in good confidence vote for a guy who supports the whole-cloth genocide of a people”.

Oh, cool, then they’ll in good confidence ensure a guy gets in who supports the whole-cloth genocide of multiple peoples, including the ones they’re supposedly protesting against. Great. I’ll thank them from the camp showers.

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