Maybe that’s it but I think it’s more along the lines of just “post a baseless meme in good faith then stroke each other until we all cum on it.” Nobody seems to point out the ridiculous nature of the original meme but you folks practically fall over each other in an effort to retort any comment that points out that fact.
I’m all for believing in a ideal but come on, you’ve got to admit it would take an 11 year old child’s sense of reality to even believe the insinuation of the OP.
And shit on the US all you want. It’s a terrible system controlled by corporations and the only people that believe who they vote for matters are dimwits that believe the bullshit pedaled to them by the media. I just think you should also understand that the reality of your ideal is no better. It’s just different branding of the same control by those at the top.
And shit on the US all you want. It’s a terrible system controlled by corporations and the only people that believe who they vote for matters are dimwits that believe the bullshit pedaled to them by the media. I just think you should also understand that the reality of your ideal is no better. It’s just different branding of the same control by those at the top.
There have been some material pointed at you for reading already, so I just want to say that this is just common liberal thinking used to discredit any attempt of change by claiming everything is the same, “it’s all different power hungry elites at the top” stuff.
That’s a fundamentally wrong view of how societies work that not only completely ignores class struggle, also ignores all the advancement made in socialist societies. You are already on the right path and identified that the US is controlled by corporations, you just gotta go further and realize these corporations have owners, the extremely wealthy, the capitalist class. From there you can start to understand the interests a government serves under a capitalist society. That’s not to say there haven’t been any mistakes and wrongdoings in socialist societies, far from that, we are very aware of that and self-critique is core to communist thought.
With all that said, there isn’t much I can add here that will convince you or anything, this is something that takes willingness, time and research. What I can ask of you is to at least give it a fair thought. If you want good starting places in a video format in english, give Second Thought, Hakim and Yugopnik a watch from time to time.
I appreciate the links as well as the liberal branding. It’s kind of nifty, I’ve been called a liberal more times in this comment section than I have in my entire life… In reality, however, I’m an older, irrelevant American that has never voted in his life, mostly because of the corruption in the system that I’ve watched while growing up, which made me realize that my political system, like religion, is a farce that keeps people in a malleable mindset so they can be kept docile and funding the machine. I wouldn’t say I have a partisan thinking in one way or the other but if not giving a single shit about who our next president is is “liberal”, I guess I fit the bill.
I am not saying that it couldn’t be better. I’m simply saying that it will never be better.
Just an FYI.
Liberalism is the ideology of capitalism. When you are called a liberal, here, it does not mean that people think you support the democrats or whatever ‘progressive’ wing/party of US electoral politics. The republicans are liberals, too. Any party that gets close to power in the US will almost certainly be liberal. The greens included (or whatever their official name). [Edit: so the next US president is going to be a liberal whatever happens.]
When you criticise the US for being run by corporations and oppose socialism/communism, you are not challenging capitalism i.e. liberalism. The same for when you argue that things will never be better, as if capitalism/liberalism is all that can exist. That’s called the ‘end of history thesis’ and it functions to support capitalism. Hence people calling you liberal.
Unfortunately US political discourse has distorted certain words beyond all meaning. This makes it harder to have rigorous conversations about political economy, which is why they do it.
