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136 points

Resources are just way cheaper than developers.

It’s a lot cheaper to have double the ram than it is to pay for someone to optimize your code.

And if you’re working with code that requires that serious of resource optimization you’ll invariably end up with low level code libraries that are hard to maintain.

… But fuck the Always on internet connection and DRM for sure.

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109 points

If you consider only the RAM on the developers’ PCs maybe. If you count in thousands of customer PCs then optimizing the code outperforms hardware upgrades pretty fast. If because of a new Windows feature millions have to buy new hardware that’s pretty desastrous from a sustainability point of view.

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46 points

But that’s just more business!

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13 points

Last time I checked - your personal computer wasn’t a company cost.

Until it is nothing changes - and to be totally frank the last thing I want is to be on a corporate machine at home.

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10 points

When I was last looking for a fully remote job, a lot of companies gave you a “technology allowance” every few years where they give you money to buy a computer/laptop. You could buy whatever you wanted but you had that fixed allowance. The computer belonged to you and you connected to their virtual desktops for work.

Honestly, I see more companies going in this direction. My work laptop has an i7 and 16GB of RAM. All I do is use Chrome.

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Or maybe you could actually read the comment you are replying to instead of being so confrontational? They are literally making the same point you are making, except somehow you sound dismissive, like we just need to take it.

In case you missed it they were literally saying that the fact that the real cost of running software (like the AI recall bullshit) is externalized to consumers makes companies don’t give a shit about fixing this. Like literally the same you are saying. And this means that we all, as a society, are just wasting a fuck ton of resources. But capitalism is so eficient hahaha.

But come on man, you really think that the only option is for us to run corporate machines in our homes? I don’t know if I should feel sorry about your lack of imagination, or if you are trying to strawman us here. I’m going to assume lack of imagination, don’t assume malice and all that.

For example, that’s what simple legislation could do. For example, lets say I buy an cellphone/computer, then buy an app/program for that device, and the device has the required specifications to run the software. The company that sold me that software should be obligated by law to give me a version of the software that runs in my machine forever. This is not a lot to ask for, this is literally how software worked before the internet.

But now, behind the cover of security and convenience, this is all out of the window. Each new windows/macos/ios/android/adobe/fucking anything update asks for more and more hardware and little to no meaningful new functionality. So we need to keep upgrading and upgrading, and spending and spending.

But this is not a given, we can do better with very little sacrifices.

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4 points

As a developer, my default definition of “slow” is whether it’s slow on my machine. Not ideal, but chimp brain do chimp brain things. My eyes see my own screen all day, not yours.

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4 points

You can also build a chair out of shitty plywood that falls apart when someone who weighs a bit more sits on it, instead of quality cut wood. I mean, fine if you want to make a bad product but then you’re making a bad product.

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Resource optimization has nothing to do with product quality. Really good experiences can be done with shitty resource consumption. Really bad experiences can be blisteringly fast in optimization.

The reason programmers work in increasingly abstract languages is to do more with less effort at the cost of less efficient resource utilization.

Rollercoaster Tycoon was ASM. Slay the Spire was Java. They’re both excellent games.

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Yeah, I don’t really have a problem with games except for the stuff added on purpose just to make the user experience worse like DRM. I was more thinking about trends like using Electron for desktop development.

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1 point

I love the good old games on ASM.

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3 points

lol pay for someone. If it’s your code, you are that someone.

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4 points

Companies own the code you write.

It’s not your code if you’re working for a corp - it’s theirs.

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1 point

If someone else is paying you, you can write sloppy code. Got it.

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2 points

It’s a lot cheaper to have double the ram

yeah a lot cheaper to force someone else to buy double the RAM. No thanks.

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5 points

Companies don’t pay for your 2x RAM and it doesn’t slow down their user acquisition so they don’t care.

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