Comment by kameecoding@lemmy.world on Oracle Java police start knocking on Fortune 200's doors for first time

You will just switch to one of the openjdk implementations

Obviously OpenJDK is superior to dealing with Oracle’s bull. But even more superior (IMO) is simply not using Java. My life has been noticeably more pleasant since I started refusing to touch Java.

No offense but I have never seen a good developer complain about java.

Java has a lot of advantages, but that’s a crazy statement. I feel like literally everyone complains about basic stuff like public static void main, over reliance on factories and OOP, and just how much code you need to generate for some basic stuff. I’m not a Java hater, but I am glad I don’t have to use it anymore.

What’s the issue with public static main?

And whats the issue with factories? Factories are a design pattern thats not specific to Java, I’d recommend you read the design patterns book and understand why they exist. I also have 0 factory useage stuck in my mind and I have been developing with java since 2016.

OOP? It’s an OO language ffs, that’s like complaining that C isn’t OO. If you don’t want to use an OO language don’t use one.

how much code you need to generate for some basic stuff

Do you mean verbosity because thats only a complaint for people who dont need to maintain stuff long term. Or maybe you misused java for doing something simple where python would have sufficed.

And then there is the springboot framework that makes shit trivial

So a lot of Java hate I think is mostly in jest.

Personally, Java was the programming language that I had to use for my first two years of college. It’s how I learned OOP, data structures, and algorithms. I had to use Eclipse, which at the time was AWFUL (and maybe still is, no idea). I remember it being semi-normal for it to take over a minute to launch on my (gaming) PC.

Later on, as I learned other languages and got a job, I just haven’t really had a reason to go back to Java, and most of my memories of it are from being annoyed at Eclipse and needing to implement Quicksort in it. I’m sure it’s a great language and I bet it’s a lot better and more convenient now. It’s just kinda trendy and weirdly nostalgic to hate on it in a half-serious way :) .

you clearly don’t know many good developers

People complain about Java being weird all the time. The reason people complain about it is because they use it all the time and things about it annoy them.

Pretty much everyone who uses any programming language has stuff they don’t like about it and we’ll complain about it from time to time. A lot of this stuff never really gets fixed, because updating languages is problematic, see mysqli_real_escape_string.

I don’t want to be that guy, but that PHP function call at the end that you said never really gets fixed… I haven’t used that in 20 years of PHP, and I’m pretty sure that hasn’t existed since like 10-15 years ago. People seem to love to hate php because 20 years ago it did something not quite right.

Being good has nothing to do with having to maintain your company’s code base that’s in Oracle’s Java SE 1.6.

You can’t just design your way out of a conflict whose solution is to change either the existing system architecture or change Java versions,

both suggestions will get you laughed out of the room.

Did you stop programming altogether? /s

I think you can potentially get stuck with worse when you stop Java.

Sure, there are worse languages and environments to get stuck with. But I can avoid those jobs. And if I get hired as a SomeLang developer and they force me to work in Java or whatever, it’s time to dust off the resume.

This isn’t Java it’s the jvm. Other languages run on it as well.

I am aware of that, but Java is the most popular language that runs on the JVM. I don’t specifically dislike other JVM languages, though one of my issues is type erasure and that’s partially a limitation of the JVM.

Kotlin is becoming very popular.In like 10 years of Java development I ran into type erasure like once…

Project Valhalla should help with it though (when it finally lands). And kotlin/other jvm languages will benefit as well.

There are solutions to it. For example in Scala I’ve had to use Class tags a couple of times before and they were ergonomic and functioned well

I’ve only seen this switch go really well. The odds are good .

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