lemm.ee

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5 months ago

you’re suggesting that homophobia is an internal problem,

I believe homophobia (and basically all other hate) is mostly an internal (mental) problem, you don’t?

the inference to be made there is that if you really hate queer people, you can’t be cishet.

Ah I get it now, I guess I disagree with that inference but I see how it follows. More honestly I would say that most people aren’t 100% straight/cishet and sexual fluidity is extremely common (though we’re only becoming aware of it now) so the inference would be correct and most people wouldn’t be homophobic.

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Flying Squid@lemmy.world

1 point

5 months ago

Internal as in only involving queer people.

The point is it gives any cishet bigot an excuse to be homophobic because they aren’t queer so it’s okay. It’s not bigotry.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internalized_oppression

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5 months ago

The point is it gives any cishet bigot an excuse to be homophobic because they aren’t queer

If we’re following it logically, they hate themselves at least in part because they’re queer; it’s self-hatred but they can be a self-hating bigot, they’re not mutually exclusive.

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Flying Squid@lemmy.world

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5 months ago

Again, this suggests that you cannot be cishet and bigoted against queer people. That the only people bigoted against queer people are themselves queer. Therefore anything someone who is cishet says about queer people no matter how offensive cannot be homophobic by virtue of having been said by a cishet person.

That’s just basic extrapolation from such reasoning.

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5 months ago

anything someone who is cishet says about queer people no matter how offensive cannot be homophobic by virtue of having been said by a cishet person

No, because the moment they say something homophobic they’re queer thus not cishet, though they can still be bigots, it’s a Catch-22, that’s the point, to call the bigot the thing they hate.

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Flying Squid@lemmy.world

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5 months ago

Except that the person saying the homophobic thing knows they aren’t queer. Which means what they said can’t possibly be homophobic.

Let me put it this way- there is zero evidence that Charlie Kirk is anything but cishet. Now… we can draw attention to the issue of bigotry by just pointing out that he’s a bigot or we can put the blame of bigotry on queer people themselves in some silly attempt at a gotcha.

I would say that the former is both less childish and less harmful to queer people.

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5 months ago

Except that the person saying the homophobic thing knows they aren’t queer.

Do they though do their peers? Does anyone? Again sexual fluidity is extremely common throughout our lives.

Let me put it this way- there is zero evidence that Charlie Kirk is anything but cishet.

I honestly can’t imagine him being with a woman so I disagree.

Now… we can draw attention to the issue of bigotry by just pointing out that he’s a bigot

Yes.

or we can put the blame of bigotry on queer people themselves in some silly attempt at a gotcha.

I would say we put it on the bigot that said it, Charlie Kirk and not on any broad groups at all.

I would say that the former is both less childish

It’s fun to be childish sometimes.

and less harmful to queer people.

I’m not sure it harms queer people at all Squid.

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