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71 points

No profits for companies. Wartime economy.

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Yeah. Government-owned companies producing shells that probably wouldn’t pass QC in “the west”, and paying employees a pittance in comparison. Also at least based on aerial photos, Russians seem to use contact fuzes a lot (you can see the difference from the “splash” patterns) which are a lot cheaper than airburst / multifunction fuzes, but admittedly those might well have been old Soviet stock and their new production could well be more modern.

Still, regardless of the fuze used it’s no surprise that Russian production is cheaper.

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I heard they’re fighting with shovels and washing machines!

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Reportedly the Russian factory workers are being paid quite well. And the lack of quality is just a myth I think. There’s no indication that’s actually true.

The real reason prices in the West are so high is that there’s a shortage, and shells are supplied overwhelmingly by private contractors, and so the price has multiplied thanks to supply-and-demand market logic.

You may think the Efficient Free Market Knows Best™, so shouldn’t they increase production? Think again. They’re making record profits right now. Meaningfully increasing production involves building new factories for billions of dollars/euros, which might be ready in a year or two. By then the war will be over and they would have overcapacity, which would be inefficient and prices would plummet. Why would they do that to themselves?

So they’re in a great negotiating position vis a vis desperate Western governments. They want guaranteed profits, of the same sort they’re making right now, or else the shortage continues.

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Reportedly the Russian factory workers are being paid quite well.

Paid well for Russian factory workers

And the lack of quality is just a myth I think. There’s no indication that’s actually true.

Then you haven’t been paying attention.

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Russian military is building their own while West is buying from others. Obviously the Russian’s gonna be better and cheaper then westerners.

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considering the rate at which UA is destroying russian tube arty I can’t imagine the fuzing will make much difference in the war.

what an absolute shit show.

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It’s not like literally all Russian artillery gets destroyed before firing off a single shot. Fuzing absolutely does make a difference

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6 points

Special operation time economy*

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Hungry North Koreans too

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source: the people who can’t produce shells as fast as the two most sanctioned countries on earth 😆

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So did you not read the war time economy line above, or but understand it?

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Perhaps, even, no grift for oligarchs, wartime economy.

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