Comment by Flying Squid@lemmy.world on American Christianity

They believe in the Jesus their pastor tells them about. They don’t read the Bible.

But I’m not going to call them fake Christians. That’s a ‘no true Scotsman.’ They worship Christ, so they are Christians. It doesn’t matter that they don’t worship the Jesus of the Bible. The Jesus of the Bible was fictional anyway.

I am not the one calling them fake Christians, God did

James 2:10 “For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become guilty of all of it.” The Bible said to take care of the poor and sick, fairly simple commandment, and they are failing to follow it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

They worship Christ. They are Christians.

No one can follow everything in the Bible. It contradicts itself all over the place.

It’s not like jesus is super rightwing sometimes. This is like saying I’m a batman fan despite my idea of batman being a guy who fights with a katana and shoots lasers from his toes because no true Scotsman

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

Not a logical fallacy. Anyone can claim they worship Christ, but all religion have obligations that if you don’t follow you are clearly not a follower.

No one can follow everything in the Bible. It contradicts itself all over the place.

No one can follow “feed the hungry, heal the sick, and house the houseless”? I understand if it was some contradictory command, but this one clearly isn’t.

I will give an example from Islam since I am more familiar with it. Alcohol is prohibited in Islam yet some people claim to be Muslims and consume it. Those people fall under one of two, no third:

They know they are committing a sin and feel bad about it.
Deny they are committing a sin.

Those who are group 1, are still Muslims but sinners, but group 2 are out out out!

So those who don’t to feed the hungry and deny the obligation, aren’t Christian.

It is a fallacy, just not a formal fallacy. It is within the purview of informal fallacies. An informal fallacy is found in the content of the argument itself, not its logical structure. The “no true Scotsman” fallacy occurs when the standards for a category are arbitrary, irrelevant, or are established in an ad hoc manner purely to win the argument.

You can be a part of a group with strict tenets, and be a hypocrite that follows none of it too. After all, you cannot be a hypocrite of something without having placed yourself within the group or set of tenets of which you are hypocritically not following. Thus you can be a Christian, and a hypocrite. You can say that, you are either a hypocrite or a Christian, and that’s all well and good too, but perhaps that’s a different argument. In language, you can specify the group or set of tenets one is a hypocrite of. Thus these are Christian hypocrites. Just as there are probably a few Muslim Hypocrites too.

Okay, what is the religion of someone who worships Christ?

I see the point you are trying to make and it has some merit. However, I think there is also merit in distinguishing between like people who say they are Christian but don’t follow anything from the Bible and people who say they are Christian and do.

Like, you can point to most shapes and say “that’s a polygon” but sometimes it’s more helpful to say “that’s a triangle”, “that’s a square”, and "that’s juat a line, not a polygon actually "

Fine, what is their religion?

A charlatan. Jesus said faith alone isn’t enough.

James 2:14-18 ESV What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works?

“Charlatan” is not a religion.

Again, what is the religion of someone who worships Christ?

You can use the magic words all you want, but that’s not an answer.

They believe in the Jesus their pastor tells them about. They don’t read the Bible

How very old school Catholic of them! I guess King Jr wasn’t the only Martin Luther who would have a problem with them 😉

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