Comment by bhj 🦥@lemmy.one on Now that federation is starting to work, the experience is a bit funny. Already had experiences with lemmy and beehaw threads just being purged lol

Idk what the culture is over there but it was just a bit funny to see the entire thread I was replying to just removed. Like that doesn’t happen here on kbin lmao. a bit of a culture clash there I guess.

I wonder if that’s the norm for lemmy and beehaw? Here on kbin basically nothing is removed it seems. at least for now.

Replying from Lemmy. 👋 Not the norm over here either. I wonder if there is just some weird sync issue happening?

Lemmy communities have public Mod Logs so even if a thread was removed I don’t think it’s gone forever.

Interesting. A few threads (from lemmy instances and beehaw) just ended up showing up as “removed” when I tried going to them. I figured the mods there removed it for whatever reason.

on kbin entire thread removals on that basically haven’t happened since I’ve been here, and moderation is pretty light as a whole (either due to the admin being very busy, or just the culture). I had heard lemmy.ml is pretty heavy on the censoring/removals so I figured it was that. I know beehaw has a weird culture thing as well that sounds like they’d be pretty quick to remove stuff that is “off-brand”.

Lemmy has public mod logs if you’re ever curious

I just looked and sure enough:

alyaza has removed thread by pillarist - Reddit CEO assures employees that API pricing protests haven’t hurt revenue

that’s a beehaw thread posted in technology@beehaw.org. This is the sorta thing I mean lol. Like what an odd thing to remove? Surely it’s a fitting topic for a technology group?

Beehaw has strict instance-wide moderation policies (which don’t really work in a federated model tbh, but they haven’t seemed to realize as such yet).

Beehaw’s trying to funnel Reddit-related stories into a single megathread. However, if people aren’t subscribed to that community on their instance, they don’t see the megathread and don’t know to post in it.

Simply put - while Beehaw is a nice place, their moderation style is at odds with much of the fediverse. I wouldn’t be surprised if Beehaw started defederating fairly broadly to prevent users from other instances coming in to their communities without respecting their rules and standards.

I also wouldn’t be surprised to see Beehaw remove themselves from federation entirely, since they very much want to be their own thing.

Just saw the Beehaw has defederated from Lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works. so you seem spot on in your assessment.

Could be a repost? I haven’t checked the community to be sure, but I know I’ve seen that same news link posted all over the place.

actually I just found out what’s up. beehaw is completely defederating from lemmy instances. which probably explains why they removed the threads (made by lemmy users).

Like what an odd thing to remove?

Not sure if this link will work—or if it’s relevant to the specific mod action you quoted—but that same mod put up a thread with some context around the purging you were talking about.

https://kbin.social /m/support@beehaw.org/t/22304/ANNOUNCEMENT-defederating-effective-immediately-from-lemmy-world-and-sh-itjust-works

Wow… That seems like it doesn’t bode well for the users fleeing Reddit. Less rhan one day after the blackout, and the major intances of Lemmy are already infighting, fragmenting, and walling each other out.

Use Lemmy, they said. It’ll be fun, they said.

I think they had a megathread on all Reddit news over there. It would explain why they removed individual threads on the matter.

Ooh, thank you!

So from a quick skim there, most of those are actually not kbin mods. I’m still wrapping my head around the fediverse lol, but that modlog is actually from everyone not just kbin and I guess that’s on purpose!

Yeah the linked modlog shows the mod actions from all the instances apparently, not just us on kbin. It might still be useful to see just the kbin modlog, which is probably on the to-do.

I’ll have to look into it :)

When Stalinists are running the main Lemmy instances, it should not be surprising if history undergoes sudden and frequent changes there.

There’s an entire book on this predilection of Stalinism: “The Commissar Vanishes: The Falsification of Photographs and Art in Stalin’s Russia” (1997), by David King.

More mundanely, posters on the main Lemmy instances should already have seen that if anyone mentions oppression by certain states, e.g. the systematic oppression of certain minorities, this will ironically be labeled as “racism.” The racism of genocide denial is a Stalinist’s bread and butter, and will never result in deletions or bans.

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Now that federation is starting to work, the experience is a bit funny. Already had experiences with lemmy and beehaw threads just being purged lol

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