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As I said before, that sort of change is going to take longer than the few months we have left before the election. Right now the choice is Biden or Trump for the next term. It sucks, but that is what it is. Don’t forget the down-ticket elections too.

What do you mean the next few months? Hasn’t Biden been president for almost four years?

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Yes, but I haven’t seen much in the way of wide spread and coordinated campaigns to put issues that matter in front of him and other Dems until fairly recently. That’s the issue, without a group of voters, large enough to change the outcome of elections, making their voices heard early enough for the parties to change their platforms without scaring off the rest of their voters little will change.

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Yes, but I haven’t seen much in the way of wide spread and coordinated campaigns to put issues that matter in front of him and other Dems until fairly recently.

The uncommitted campaign was in April.

People have been protesting, organising, and in some cases taking legal action for ten months now since October 7th.

There’s been an international protest, legal, and lobbying effort for Palestinian rights since the late 1940s.

That’s the issue, without a group of voters, large enough to change the outcome of elections

But who swear infinite loyalty that they never actually will refuse to vote for said party, no matter what.

How do you force a party to do something it’s diametrically opposed to while insisting you and everyone will always support them and obliterating even the mildest possible leverage you have?

Yes, but I haven’t seen much in the way of wide spread and coordinated campaigns to put issues that matter in front of him and other Dems until fairly recently.

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The uncommitted campaign was in April.

Yes, which is ‘fairly recently’. The good news is it did have some effect, which rather illustrates what I’m saying. Enough voters speaking in one voice, in a way that doesn’t cause the republicans to have more power, works.

People have been protesting, organising, and in some cases taking legal action for ten months now since October 7th.

They have, yes, and I take my hat off to them for spending that energy doing it, but there aren’t enough of them. Until there are enough that their numbers make an electoral difference, all the protesting achieves is ‘awareness’ amongst the electorate. Given enough time and dedication that might be enough to swell the numbers to the point they have an effect, but until that point politicians are going to carry on. As I mentioned to someone else, the opinion polls I’ve found regarding American’s view of the conflict suggest about the same number of people see it as genocide as those who don’t, which is utterly horrifying, but explains why politicians are sticking to their path. When those numbers change, so will the political response.

How do you force a party to do something it’s diametrically opposed to while insisting you and everyone will always support them

You don’t. You, as a large enough group, make that support contingent on conditions being met. The issue is that if your group is too small, it has no effect, but if it’s bigger than that, is ignored, and withholds its votes, it hands victory to the opposing party, which is likely to be detrimental to that group, so the group needs to be large enough that it can’t be ignored. Gathering that size of group, coordinating them and getting the message across is a large undertaking, but without it you’ve got little chance of having an effect.

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