lemm.ee

-6 points

3 months ago

And you start from a base assumption that any of that matters in terms of food.

It’s like a retronym, picking facts to claim as a basis for a belief that’s rooted in a moral code.

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iiGxC@slrpnk.net

5 points

3 months ago

No, veganism as a conclusion is a combination of facts and basic moral understanding, principles like “live and let live”, “do no harm”, and the golden rule, do unto others as you would have them do to you. If you’re a psychopath who doesn’t care how much harm, death, and suffering is caused in order to get sensory pleasure, I probably can’t convince you why veganism is worthwhile

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-3 points

3 months ago

Lmmfao.

There it goes. Straight to “oh, we’re super moral, and you’re evil/crazy if you don’t agree”

And you’re not a zealot talking like that. Okay champ, you are good boy, sure, you go.

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iiGxC@slrpnk.net

0 points

3 months ago

do you disagree with all the ethical principles I mentioned, or the facts I listed? Or do you think that the conclusion doesn’t follow from the premises?

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-1 points

3 months ago

Somehow, you think this is a debate. It isn’t. It’s me fucking around because vegans are zealots that call people that don’t agree with them psychopaths (which isn’t really a useful term now, the dsm classifies things differently, but I’m okay with the colloquial usage here, no worries).

What I do disagree with is the assumption that a cobbled together set of beliefs makes someone better than another, which is exactly what someone is showing when they start throwing around terms like psychopath willy nilly like that.

Seriously, dude, you already proved my point. It was inevitable that someone would, or just happened to be you. I’ve had my laugh, you’ve had your moment of feeling superior, so I think we both had a good time :)

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iiGxC@slrpnk.net

2 points

3 months ago

I don’t think people who disagree with me are psychopaths. I think that given enough time and discussion I could convince most people that based on their own principles, veganism is the right thing to do. On the other hand, people who don’t give a fuck about how they affect others, would not be sympathetic to any line of reasoning I could think of. That’s all I was trying to say there

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1 point

3 months ago

Well, that’s a very nice way to say it :)

I’m not sure why you went there, but hey, we all fuck up, right?

But you’re still making a huge assumption. You’re assuming that anyone that isn’t vegan doesn’t give a fuck about how they affect others. You’re assuming that anyone you can’t convince would be wrong, because your logic, your arguments are the right ones by default.

You’ve been pretty busy trying to debate and argue. Did you ask what kind of meats I eat, how often, how I source them, or anything else that wasn’t meant specifically to debate, convert, or otherwise change my stance? No.

And that’s not unexpected. I’ve had this conversation maybe a hundred times. I can count on two hands the number of vegans that went as far as you just did by walking back their aggression. That’s actually pretty impressive tbh, because this all started with me baiting vegans. Kudos :)

Now, there is a fundamental gap between the usual vegan perspective on human/animal interactions/usage and personal beliefs. That gap is different at a level that, I agree, would not result in me converting to the vegan system. I don’t have a problem with people being vegan, I don’t want anyone to stop being vegan, or whatever. But I know vegans irl. Vegans that matter enough to me that I’ve sat and listened and done the whole Jehovah’s Witness thing (I’m poking fun, not trying to troll there, it’s meant to exaggerate the silliness of the whole thread), with laptops and phones and sources. I cook vegan for these people. Gladly, and I used to even haunt a vegan recipe C/ to expand my recipe base to make better food for them.

I only say that to let you know that it isn’t being vegan that I’m baiting and making fun of. It’s the accoutrements.

Do you see what I’m getting at? If you don’t, that’s okay. You don’t even have to take the time to try (especially if you’ve gotten this far, that’s a lot of verbiage).

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