Comment by daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com on It's super simple...

I’m just even surprised by the term “Free” Palestine.

Who would be Free in that supposed country?

Women would be free? No, they will be subjected to their husbands will.

Children would be free? No, they would be indoctrinated in Islam their whole life.

LBGT people would be free? No, they will be executed.

Non muslisms would be free? No, thay will be second class citizens.

Regular men would be free? No, they will have to follow the Coran or else.

What it is proposed by Hamas is not a Free Palestine, not by any definition of Free that I know.

Free from occupation…

Not the occupation of an Islamic Caliphate.

Changing one tyrant for another does not make you free.

Also if Israel citizens are “occupying” that place. What do you suggest to do with them are they not welcome there?, illustrate me on the solution, but please do not use the words “final solution”.

Because sorry to break your bubble, Hamas does not propose peacefully coexistence of jews and Muslims on the same land.

Israel is occupying Palestinian land… we want to be free of occuaption. Not sure why you bring Islam into this since Palestinian society is quite diverse and encompasses many different perspectives and religions. I myself am a Palestinian atheist.

My suggestion is: one democratic state of Palestine for Jews, Muslims, Christians, whenever the fuck lives there. Democratic voting, a President.

“final solution” is a now used by Israeli officials to describe Gaza so rofl this is not even a serious convo now. You are just gaslighting and talking to a person in your head.

I would be down with making the whole land a unique democratic state, free to anyone to vote or belief whatever they want like any democratic nation.

But I’m sorry to say that no side of the conflict seeks that. Not Hamas, not the Israeli government. Both just seek total extermination of the other side.

Most of current Palestine is not only Muslim, but also pretty radical about their beliefs, that’s just the way the cookie crumbles, there’s no sugar coating it.

I seek it. I’m one side in this too. There are many Palestinians and many Israelis who just want to have normal lives and full human rights for themselves and others.

I think you then might want to learn more about current Palestine, which is much more diverse than you describe.

Tell me, what should be done about the problem of Arabs and other brown skinned peoples currently occupying your God-given covenant and sacred land? Should the methods of the past be utilized - that they shall be put to the sword, they and their women and children, their livestock and all that loves in that land, their high places thrown down, and the Temple rebuilt?

Firstly if you think Muslims are brown skinned you have an incredibly narrow vision of the world.

Muslim world is pretty diverse in color. And many of them are way whiter than me. As a Mediterranean I have a beautiful dark olive tone on my skin.

Palestinians are not occupying anything. So there’s no problem with their presence in that territory. Also if we defend free inmigration we should have accepted free inmigration of the Israel people to Palestine. So Israeli presence on former Palestinian-only land is not a problem.

A diverse country should be the solution. If Israelites want to live there they are free to do so. If Palestinians want to live there they are free to do so.

They both should be able to live side by side. And both groups should forget their Gods, because Gods does not exist.

both groups should forget their Gods

Welcome to the Middle East, please do try to stand up in a synagogue in Jerusalem and say this out loud.

I’ don’t think those are the ones who will behead me if I say that…

And thinking otherwise is just delusional and irrational given the data we have.

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