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The only problem I see is that it’s escalatory. If Ukraine starts using Western-supplied weapons for offensive operations, this situation goes from supplying war material for defense (under-the-table proxy war) to full-on overt proxy war. Russia will spin this as “NATO is using Ukraine to attack us” (though they’re probably doing that already).

I can’t see how this won’t lead to a wider conflict.

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They already use that rhetoric for a long time.

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I’m sure you’re right.

How do we use our understanding of that, and the way that they operate, to avoid a full scale war?

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There IS a full scale war going on. 31,000 confirmed dead Ukranian soldiers, and up to 120,000 dead Russian soldiers. We don’t even have a good idea how many civilian deaths, but the total death toll could be as high as 500,000.

And no, before you start - Mutually Assured Destruction isn’t “a full scale war”. Its Annihilation of both sides, and has no precedent in the history of war.

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We already crossed many times their “red lines”. This is just the good old “China’s Final Warning”.

They are already barely managing to slowly advance against a single foe, which is still transitioning between the old soviet warfare ways toward NATO’s one, with far less soldiers, I doubt they would ever hold against the full alliance firepower.

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The only problem I see is that it’s escalatory

Wasn’t invading Ukraine escalatory in the first place?

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K. Russia cant even defend itself from Ukraine. Lets transition to the find out stage.

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If only Russia left Ukraine, everything would be much easier…

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Bro fucking russian troll, stfu

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You can thank Putin for making it go this far.

Time he pays the piper.

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Russia is Already losing to U.S. weapons being used by Ukraine. Do you really think they want to find out what U.S. weapons used by the U.S. feels like?

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