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Yeah, sorry but this one is just counterproductive. Guys just don’t give a fuck. No one is going around “ooh, what if I pretend I can’t do this task so she then has to do it”. That’s just patriarchy and gender roles for you. Maybe try to have a conversation about the subject of chores without sticking the “you’re evil” tag on the other person. Well, for anything in life really. Also mental load is there for anyone, I see no point in bringing it up in this context. The dudes have to deal with a fair share of mental load as well, specially with all the emotional neglect and immaturity.

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44 points

“Guys don’t give a fuck.”

That’s it. That’s the toxic trait right there.

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This is why I think weaponized incompetence is a better term than willful incompetence.

I don’t think it’s even always intentional, conscious, or willful. It’s just, well, “not giving a fuck”, and getting away with it because women are always around to deal with their shit.

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Prepared to be roasted alive for this opinion but studies (undoubtedly of white, middle class, US undergrads) seem to indicate women find clutter and messes more psychologically distressing than men do.

I’m a man but I’ve had many deadbeat guys as roommates and I am definitely far more bothered by messes and clutter than they were so I kind of get this.

If you are the “mind it more” person, you will find yourself rage cleaning because the other person can wait you out as long as they want if they are taking you for granted and not concerned you’ll leave over this.

So there are two toxic traits here:

  1. A willingness to wait out chores even if you know it’s angering people you are with.

  2. A kind of willful blindness. “Honestly, I didn’t think it was that bad.”

The second one might be worse.

The first is excusable (plausible deniability) with the “men are oblivious” defense if the aggrieved party is not being overt in their request that a chore be done.

The second is a person (some women obviously do this, too) refusing to learn to empathize and recognize when things are getting to the point where it’s bothering the other person. From an interpersonal perspective this is probably more infuriating over the years.

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Agree about it not always being explicitly thought about. Weaponed also seemed to imply some sort of thought to me, but I couldn’t land on a good word.

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“Guys don’t give a fuck.”

That’s it. That’s the toxic trait right there.

I worry you may be misinterpreting the phrase in its particular context, and I’d hate to see that happen.

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Kudos for weaving in the toxic trait of infantilizing women.

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9 points

What in the Sam Hill …

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