You mean letting Trump/Bush/etc win because Biden/Obama/Clinton didn’t give us everything we wanted fast enough? At least there’s progress under Democrats.

Democrats are not giving us anything we wanted, there is no progress, just continued Capitalist decline.

didn’t give us everything we wanted fast enough

it’s more like didn’t give us anything we needed.

Also 0.8 worth of good presidents out of 46 is worse odds than a broken clock but, atleast with a broken clock, you’re guaranteed 2 good intervals on a regular bases.

and that’s why they’re not the right answers; it’s a systems that intentionally setup to give you shittiest choices and forces you to abide by them to make sure that you never get a good president; merely a very slightly less worse one while simultaneously teaching you to despise anyone who tries to point this out.

meanwhile other places have much better voting systems and our system has so americanized you that you don’t believe that those systems can also work here or, atleast, you’ve been conditioned to believe that we MUST select either a republican or a democrat.

They are. They absolutely are. One gives you all the social conservatism that the ruling class will permit you to have, and one gives you all the social progressiveness that the ruling class will permit you to have. They both work for the exact same interests. Whether or not the state allows gay marriage or abortion is totally irrelevant to the ruling class, has zero effect on their lives, and they give and take these things cynically not to advance a political cause but just to keep us scurrying back and forth, oscillating between panic and ersatz vindication, giving cover to allow them to shape the world 50 years from now into anything they please without any meaningful oversight or democratic input.

You can do all of that and still vote for the blue team.

Sure, you can vote for the less extreme fascists. The problem that we run into is that liberals just vote and then go to brunch for 2 years before voting again. Leftist movements died down under Biden and the Democrats moved to the right, no longer is Medicare for All being pushed for, as an example.

We all need to organize and work to strengthen unions. We need to do that. So the choice is just do we want to do that under a blue team presidency or a red team/MAGA presidency

Sure. Unions would be a good start, though not even close to sufficent. The Nordics are very highly unionized, yet still see sliding worker protections and Capitalist decay.

Blue team seems much more currently amenable to unionization. So that seems like it would be the superior conditions for us to organize under.

Are they really? Some members of Blue team, sure, but it’s important to recognize that unions come from force, not from government protections. The dems crack down on any worker movements just as quickly as the Reps.

Actual organization among the workers is far more important.

I feel like folks like you practically get off to making bad faith arguments about how regular ass voters are "letting genocide happen" and imply that by not voting, you’re doing something effective to stop it.

Try listening to what I am actually saying then, instead of imagining it and going with your feelings. I haven’t once said “not voting will stop genocide.” I said “voting will not stop genocide.”

I have to ask, hypothetically if the Palestinian death toll increased to 60,000 under a Harris presidency, and it increased to 150,000 under a Trump presidency, would you have any preference for one administration over the other if you could go back in time, or do you believe the 90,000+ death difference is meaningless? I’d genuinely like to know your answer to this question because to me it’s like telling someone there’s no difference between having one leg chopped off and both legs chopped off, and then hearing from some smug person in the back saying "how about we don’t chop any legs off?" like it’s the idea of the century that nobody has ever thought of before.

Neither option is acceptable and the genocidal US Empire needs to be torn down.

Secondly, please explain how there is a provable material difference in the ongoing genocide, beyond mere words. Congress is sending bombs and Israel is using them, and the DNC has affirmed their support for Israel.

Thirdly, the current death toll is already estimated to surpass 150,000 either way.

I feel like folks like you practically get off to making bad faith arguments

BAD FAITH ARGUMENTS LIKE SAYING YOU DON’T WANT A GENOCIDE TO HAPPEN AND THEN VALIDATING THE JUSTIFICATION FOR THAT GENOCIDE???

Organizing and directly contesting. Build up dual power and risk upsetting the current system. The Black Panthers did it, John Brown did it, MLK Jr. did it.