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Australia’s such a puppet that it paid billions of dollars to have limited access to their overlord’s submarines in possibly, maybe, fifteen or twenty years

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15-20? Sounds optimistic to me, I thought it was more in the 40~ year range (and even then not a given).

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Meanwhile our media and leaders are predicting war with China in 2027…

So how the fuck are submarines planned to arrive decades later going to be relevant? Shrug

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