I realize what you’re doing, but I’m questioning why are you viewing events from the lens of classical ideologies? How is that relevant to viewing whether a policy was beneficial terms of actual progress or not? It’s actually hurting your opinion and outlook since you’re now attributing terms that have a different meaning in contemporary discussion and discourse as opposed to it’s classical definition.
Being a progressive does not have a different meaning in contemporary discussion. Progressivism doesn’t mean something different in the US. The US has leftist progressives like Bernie Sanders.
You are all strawmanning me and trying to make it seem like I’m saying Obama made no progress, when I’m saying Obama wasn’t a progressive.
We are talking about politics. Political ideologies are obviously going to be a part of the conversation. Quit acting like bringing them up is “viewing events from the lens of classical ideologies”. You just aren’t versed in political science.
Here is a page about progressivism specifically in the US if you want to learn more:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressivism_in_the_United_States
JFC dude. Read the room. I’m not arguing whether you’re right or wrong, but it seemed like you implied that Obama didn’t make progress because you called it “right-wing”. Like previously stated, terms have different meanings/connotations depending on context. Yes, even in contemporary discussions whether you agree with it or not. So people corrected you, rightfully so.
That said, I see where you were coming from and don’t disagree with the point you’re making.
And, no shit political ideologies are going to be part of a conversation when we’re talking about politics, but what I’m saying (again) is stop going off of wikipedia because you can’t get your point across effectively anymore and it’s diluting you’re messaging.
Can’t believe I have to spell all of this out for you.
Lastly, I see that you’ve just discovered “political science and ideologies”, but don’t assume others on the same plain as yourself. Some of us have been doing this longer than you’ve been alive.
Fucking hell, can you possibly be more patronizing? Maybe you should read a book. Because nothing I’m saying is false or misleading. Meanwhile you’ve flip flopped all over the place and have no real point and have contributed no sources to back up any of your claims.
I have not “just discovered political science and ideologies”. I simply am versed in the actual meanings of words, instead of just loosely using words like “progressive” to mean whatever I want.
Wikipedia is simply a good way to introduce political concepts to people who obviously have no idea what the terms like liberalism, conservatism, progressivism actually mean. Like most of the people replying to me in this thread.
You say you understand where I’m coming from, yet don’t even have a consistent point that you’re working with here. You’re just arguing for the sake of it so you can be patronizing.
You liberals are just pissed because I had the gall to criticize Obama from the left. I have backed up everything I’ve posted with sources (some directly from Obama himself) that confirm everything I’ve said.
Everyone responding to me, including you, are just finding some random nonsense to strawman me with so you can pretend to have an argument.
