lemm.ee

1 point

1 month ago

Well that is just like… your opinion man. Also i think that utopia looks kinda shit like dubai but with flying taxis.

World made it easy for tons of people to onboard onto lemmy. If there were no instances that made it easy for all the reddit refugees to find a home, it would be a lot emptier here imo. And of course people create communities on their instance.

I think it is a good thing that lemmy.world is huge, in my non programmer mind, it will prepare lemmy better for the next wave of new users, maybe that will be the time to onboard them onto different instances.

Thanks for all the memes though!

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Blaze@feddit.org

3 points

1 month ago

Also i think that utopia looks kinda shit like dubai but with flying taxis.

Agreed

Well that is just like… your opinion man

There are two main issues with centralization on LW:

centralized decisions impacting most of the Lemmy users made by a small group of people (I posted a list of them here, even Rooki a LW admin agreed with me that them being “Reddit 2.0” puts them under a lot of pressure: https://lemmy.world/comment/12070983 )
federation issues with smaller instances, as LW is so big it cannot keep up with instances which are further away ( https://lemmy.world/post/15634599 , another detailed explanation is available here, where it impacted instances like lemmy.blahaj.zone, lemdro.id, lemmy.nz, reddthat.com and aussie.zone : https://lemmy.world/post/13967373 )

A detailed thread on !fedigrow@lemm.ee that discusses the issue: https://lemmy.world/post/14728407

World made it easy for tons of people to onboard onto lemmy.

Agreed, and as I always say, I think they do a quite good job overall. At the same time, it would be better if communities could move away from LW as well, for reasons stated above

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1 point

1 month ago

To point 1, like i said, next wave the user load should spread out over more instances, that would be nice if that could happen.

Point 2, i feel like these are just growing pains and it’s not only a bad thing that these issues become visible now, these issues sure must be adressed if the lemmyverse grows bigger.

And yeah it would be nice if communities would be completely transferable in the future, i hope there is no technical impossibility here and it just takes time for this to happen.

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Blaze@feddit.org

2 points

1 month ago

To point 1, like i said, next wave the user load should spread out over more instances, that would be nice if that could happen.

The issue is that new joiners are probably going to move to LW, as most of the users and communities are there, and they might not completely get how federation works. So then LW would become even more centralized, in a chicken and egg way.

That’s why I’m advocating for moving communities now, then the whole thing is more balanced.

Point 2, i feel like these are just growing pains and it’s not only a bad thing that these issues become visible now, these issues sure must be adressed if the lemmyverse grows bigger.

That would be ideal, but Lemmy development usually takes time, and we should always be ready to have an influx of new users. Solving the issue ourselves has a higher and faster change of success than wait for the devs to update it, release it and then wait for all instances to upgrade.

Talking about upgrades, LW plans to skip 0.19.5 as their upgrades are always so impactful due to their size and the centralization of communities there, preventing a third of the Lemmy users to use new features.

And yeah it would be nice if communities would be completely transferable in the future, i hope there is no technical impossibility here and it just takes time for this to happen.

Communities can already be migrated at the moment. I moved !casualconversation@lemmy.world to !casualconversation@lemm.ee, left a pinned post on the old one, locked it, and everyone moved to the new one smoothly (we even have more activity now than back then).

I sometimes feel like some people in the LW staff are reluctant to close some of their communities, even if unmanaged, and that prevents communities on other instances from really getting popular.

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1 point

1 month ago

LW would become even more centralized, in a chicken and egg way

Maybe enough people will recommend different instances this time? I wanted to sign up at .ml originally, but they didn’t accept anything, lots of people recommended world. I think it was also on top of the join-lemmy site and the shuffling came later but i might remember that wrong. I didn’t want to join an instance with a country code and also not a niche instance dedicated to a topic that i am not all that interested in (computers, startrek, furries, lgbtq…).

Solving the issue ourselves

That issue is not being solved if nobody even realize it’s there or is just being swept under the rug until it comes up with the next wave!?

Talking about upgrades, LW plans to skip 0.19.5 as their upgrades are always so impactful due to their size and the centralization of communities there, preventing a third of the Lemmy users to use new features.

All of us who are already on board can leave for a cutting edge instance. I think it’s a good thing that they want to keep world stable and take their time.

Communities can already be migrated at the moment.

What, like automatically transfer subscribers (and hopefully posts at some point) etc? I thought everybody needs to be on board and then do it manually?

I sometimes feel like some people in the LW staff are reluctant to close some of their communities, even if unmanaged, and that prevents communities on other instances from really getting popular.

As they should be, not just delete some community because some user claimed it was dead and unmoderated (like i saw you do recently with a community which had an active user as admin ;). If they just deleted those communities i guess you’d go at them again with the power trip accusations.

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Blaze@feddit.org

3 points

1 month ago

That issue is not being solved if nobody even realize it’s there or is just being swept under the rug until it comes up with the next wave!?

To me the biggest factor is some of the LW staff “name squatting” a topic rather than agreeing to redirect to active communities on the same topic.

All of us who are already on board can leave for a cutting edge instance. I think it’s a good thing that they want to keep world stable and take their time.

Most of the users are unaware of most of the features. I met a year-long user the other day who had no idea they could import / export their settings. Also, that release has been out for 2 months and a half, 54% of the instances use it (https://fedidb.org/software/lemmy/versions ), including 7 other instances of the top 10 (https://fedidb.org/software/lemmy )

What, like automatically transfer subscribers (and hopefully posts at some point) etc? I thought everybody needs to be on board and then do it manually?

No, to be honest having a look at the code I’m not sure we would ever get such a feature. Mastodon does not allow this kind of imports, and they are much more stable and mature than Lemmy. Maybe in 5, 10 years? So in the meantime, we can do it ourselves the way I described above.

As they should be, not just delete some community because some user claimed it was dead and unmoderated (like i saw you do recently with a community which had an active user as admin ;). If they just deleted those communities i guess you’d go at them again with the power trip accusations.

That’s interesting you mention this, because

I never asked anyone to delete any community
I asked to get inactive communities locked, which the LW admins agreed with
If the mod (and not the admin) of that community was that active, they should have unpinned the post saying “looking for mods” as the first post you see you their community (as we are talking, it’s still there)
In the end, even that mod agreed to lock that community up and redirect to another one ( https://feddit.org/post/2324020 )

I am never in favor of deleting any community, that’s detrimental to the platform.

To add to that topic, I try to get people on Reddit to switch to Lemmy a lot (they are probably the biggest potential users we can get), and the first question they ask is “why are those communities empty? It looks like a ghost town”.

Locking them down, and redirecting to active communities makes Lemmy look more appealing as a whole.

power trip accusations

Power tripping definitely happens, for a lot of mod / admins. It’s sad, but sometimes it’s the main driver to a healthier community / instance, as the meme stated above.

Damn, that’s a lot of text 😄

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2 points

1 month ago

LW staff “name squatting”

I have a feeling that LW staff would give a different reason for this. As they did with the community that you asked to be locked (not deleted, i misremembered this ;). And yes, that mod agreed and now the community is locked. That’s great! But i won’t hold it against world admins to not listen to people from other instances asking for communities to be locked, when the mods are still active users. If they did that i would have more of a problem with it. I think this turned out perfect? But if a mod doesn’t want to oblige to your requests, then so be it, i think that is just fair.

54% of the instances use it

Oh wow, i would have thought it would be more. I would like to be “up to date” and see all the images i uploaded and maybe delete some but i still i think it is a good idea that they are being cautious and i trust them on their judgement, i don’t believe they refrain from updating for shady reasons or out of spite or whatever.

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