Forces had no direct confrontation with Hamas terrorists who killed hostages; ‘The IDF and security forces are doing everything possible to bring all hostages home as quickly as possible. This news shakes us all,’ says army spokesperson Hagari

Israeli forces discovered the bodies of six hostages in a 65-foot-deep tunnel in Rafah, approximately a kilometer from where hostage Farhan Alkadi was recently freed. The IDF had no precise intelligence on the hostages’ location in recent months but knew there were captives in the sector, leading to a gradual and cautious operation in Rafah since the ground offensive began.

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You want me to prove a negative?

“Prove that they don’t want to kill themselves”

Hardly a cogent argument you are making. Absolute insanity. Let’s assume for a moment that their intention is to get themselves all killed, which again is ludicrous. How does that excuse Israel’s actions?

How does Israel actions, to my point, not strengthen Hamas recruitment and power?

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So you can’t name a single decision made by the Palestinian government that has improved their life over the last 20 years rather making things worse for them?

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That’s irrelevant. Because, as I said, the choices are absolute shit rulers or complete destruction. You are seeming to think I’m arguing Hamas are the good guys here.

When presented with the choice of destruction by Israel or a horrific theocratic regime, they are making the only choice available.

Harm Reduction. If Israels goal was to help the Palestinian people, they would be using the carrot rather than the genocidal stick.

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Except complete destruction wasn’t a card on the table before Hamas.

Israel is also not the ones who suspended all future Palestinian elections.

Israel isn’t grooming Palestinian children i to working as Hamas terrorists by producing children’s cartoons blaming Jews for homosexuality, etc.

Israel can be wrong in their response, 100%. But we need to be clear: Hamas is only capable of getting Palestinians murdered. They serve no other purpose.

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They got Israel to leave Gaza so there we go. That’s one. They help Palestinians who have lost everything to get revenge on their oppressors. There’s another one. And they’re helping push a two-state solution and elevated this issue of the Palestinian plight more than it’s ever been raised before.

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  1. Israel is in Gaza because of Hamas’ actions.
  2. Palestinians are more oppressed by Israel than they were before Oct. 7. Hamas offering revenge has weakened Palestine, without even needing to mention Hamas themselves are oppressors of the Palestinian people as well.
  3. Palestinians have never been further from a 2 state solution than they are now, directly due to Hamas’ actions.
  4. You suddenly being aware of the struggle facing the Palestinian people because of Hamas hasn’t done anything to help the Palestinian people. It’s only radicalized you into supporting right wing theocratic terrorism committed against Jews. Unless you want to tell me you personally have taken concrete steps to helping Palestinian people ag the behest of Hamas. I would love to hear about it.
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