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Israeli has been a belligerent country who has not stopped terrorizing their neighbors since their formation. Zionists created Israel through a campaign of terror against British mandate Palestine and continue it to this day against Palestine, Jordan, Lebanon, and Iran.

Why are we supporting a country who does not want peace with their neighbors? They claim to be defending themselves by preemptively attacking any country that so much sneezes on them. Israel has even attacked the United States on many occasions.

If they want to be belligerent bullies in the region, they should have to do it on their own without dragging the US and it’s allies into yet another middle eastern conflict.

They even assassinated the leader Hamas while they were negotiating a ceasefire. Does that sound like a peaceful country?

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Bar Palestine, where they want to annex the West Bank, Israel would be more than happy with a live and let live relation. The entire reason Hamas wanted to escalate hostilities was because Israel was succeeding in just that, and they couldn’t stop it otherwise.

The other player is Iran. You should think about whether it’s right you included Jordan in your list and then why they’d help intercept Iran’s missile strike some months ago…

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  1. Israel primarily needs air strike capability, and lots of it. No other country could provide Israel with bombs and planes on the scale that the US currently supplies them. A US arms embargo would force Israel to use up its current stockpiles, and could seriously affect their war effort.

  2. Despite the fact that Israel has initiated all of the recent military strikes in Iran, Syria, and Lebanon, none of its neighbors, not even Iran, want escalation to a full scale conflict. The idea that they would all suddenly attack Israel following a US arms embargo is sheer fantasy.

  3. The suggestion that the US is actually managing to restrain Israel’s conduct in Gaza and the West Bank seems pretty naïve. The US has continually refused to impose any meaningful limits on Israel’s use of its weapons or sanctions on specific units of the IDF even though the State Dept had to basically acknowledge that yes, Israel had “most likely committed war crimes but no, we are unable or unwilling to elaborate further”. They’re pretty obviously having to spin the reality on the ground so it sounds like war crimes are not being committed, even though they so clearly are, just so that they can continue to bypass the Leahy law.

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Finally someone on here is actually talking about the complexities that are actually present and not just “MURDER IS BAD, DONT GIVE MURDERER GUN”

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It is not just money and sale of weapons. US has been using veto power in support of Israel. Out of 89 uses of veto in the security council about 45 have been in support of Israel. US vetoed the Dec 8 resolution calling for a humanitarian aid. Givven how israel is conducting its war, how is own ministers are calling for murder and the reports from UN observers it is boggling to my mind how you can still have doubts and say “if they wanted to commit genocide”. The restrictions you are so adamant will save the Palestinian people are Flagrantly being disregarded by Israel and the US has in it’s own report said that Israel’s use of US weapons is inconsistent with humanitarian law, but since the US lacks specific evidence of specific weapons bring used so Israel is being given the benefit of the doubt. This is so bafflingto me, you don’t give benefit of the doubt to the person who is killing, you give it to the person being killed.

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People will just ignore this and say your pro genocide because a lot of that “stop the genocide” people don’t seem to understand what nuance is.

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It seems to me like you are trying to make people be pro Harris. It is not a question, ah least for me, between the two options for us president Harris to my mind is the clearly better one. Your entire argument on weapons assumes that Israel is defending itself when it is not and that somehow the “guardrails” are going to keep the weapons from being used offensively. Unfortunately Israel has been using the weapons offensively, the US has been supporting them knowing the weapons are being used offensively. What did the US invasion of Afghanistan achieve? When US went out of Afghanistan dis they leave a paradise behind? It is the same here, US’ presence in this conflict is empowering one party and that needs to stop. You talk about a future plan while disregarding the present. Israel’s actions need to be condemned, the war on Palestinian people stopped. Who gives a flying fuck about 10 years down the road when you are killing an entire generation, starving am entire generation.

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