Let’s say just like for example like MacOS. It’s awesome we have so many tools but at the same time lack of some kind of standardization can seem like nothing works and you get overwhelmed. I’m asking for people that want to support Linux or not so tech-savy people.

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On top of being preinstalled, we also need google search-able instructions that avoid the terminal altogether. People are afraid of the terminal, it doesn’t matter why, it just is.

Currently, most solutions to linux problems come in the form of terminal commands. We would have to start creating a whole new troubleshooting forum where instructions avoid the terminal and are just lists of buttons to press in a GUI. Probably helpful screenshots too.

Of course I have no idea if some things even have GUIs at all, like configuring user groups and permissions or firewall settings, someone would need to make them. Not to mention every DE or program would need a different set of instructions, GNOME or KDE, firewalld or iptables. It’ll be a lot of work.

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I searched but never ever found a website with Linux help specially for non IT people. This is seriously needed. Everywhere I’ve looked, gatekeepers with no clue about the GUI solutions, insist people use the command line for day to day user tasks. Sure things vary between desktop environments, but it’s important people learn about their desktop. It’s how they get comfortable, and stay. And not stuck reliant on strangers having to spoon feed them cryptic text commands each time. I’d be happy to help contribute. As I’ve found GUI ways to do nearly everything.

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I’m tech literate and use the command line daily. I enjoy how powerful it is but I also enjoy the ease of point and click on windows.

After a hard day coding at work I much prefer poking around windows than using a command line on Linux.

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This is the biggest thing. I’m very comfortable in Bash, but that is not the norm; the second my wife needs to run sudo apt get, she’s out, fuck that

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I will say part of problem is knowledgeable volunteers will almost always want to just cp and paste a command string over the docs needed to walk someone through doing it in the current version of GUI.

I’ve done both. Repeatable user instructions for GUIs IS NOT FUN. Maybe if we can get some automation to turn vague directions into detailed ones and better yet testable (supporting something like OpenQA) it might help lower the burden for a project to do so.

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But that’s several pages of point and click vs. a few lines to copy and paste,

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Copy pasting strange commands people will not memorise does not solve it! To keep non IT people on Linux, they need to find out how their desktop GUI works, so they are in control and happy to stay. The aim is not to use the minimum possible time writing the tips. Thrusting an unfamiliar environment on people is sure to scare them away, and is bad usability.

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Thrusting in an unfamiliar environment is how I got an STD

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Do not copy and paste into Bash if you don’t understand the commands you’re pasting in

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Who said I don’t understand them? I’ve done point and click tutorials. They don’t only take forever to follow, they also take forever to make.

Look at this monstrosity:

https://iopq.wordpress.com/2023/12/02/free-censorship-resistant-vpn-when-you-self-host-with-oracle-free-tier-and-cloudflare/

Holy shit, the copy and paste parts are the easiest parts of them all

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