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Didn’t he say that using adblockers in YouTube was basically piracy?

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Yes, he also said that piracy can be a personal choice, and showed how to do it.

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he did, but didn’t condemn it.

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Yes, and that he does it as well.

He is a big proponent of piracy.

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He did, and I disagree with that point. Piracy is copyright violation, ad-blocking is TOS violation. They’re entirely different things.

That said, he said he understands why people do it and didn’t condemn it, and in this video shows how you can do it. I think that’s laudable, I just disagree with his assertion that blocking ads is in some way piracy.

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The TOS are your licence to watch the copyrighted material, be it by paying a subscription or consuming ads. So if you break the TOS you’re committing piracy. It’s very clearly piracy, although I don’t condemn it.

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Ah, but what you don’t know is that my TOS for when I watch a video is that if the video is bound by TOS, those employed by the company establishing the TOS are pedophiles and child abusers and I reserve the right to shoot them on sight.

This is clearly printed on my router, the megabytes can read it when they enter my room. I also have it somewhere in a doc file on my laptop that’s been uploaded to my Google drive, as well as on this lemmy post that is unrestricted to the public. Google and any other entity have access to read this whenever they want.

Time to go shoot some child molesters, yeah?

Sidenote: I fucking hate people bringing up TOS. Any contract signed by one party is applicable to exactly that one single party, and my signature is vastly different from a mouse click.

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But what if I don’t agree to the TOS? I use YouTube w/o an account, I am never prompted to agree to any TOS, and I can watch videos just fine. So my understanding is the TOS doesn’t apply because I never agreed to them.

I reject the idea that users are expected to go find the TOS when using a new website, and close the website if they disagree with the terms. I don’t do that when entering a store, so why would a website be any different? If a physical store wants me to abide by some terms, they can either present it to me when I enter (e.g. checking ID at a bar or casino), or stop me when I violate some rule and tell me I need to leave or agree to the terms to continue being there. None of that happens w/ YouTube, I just load the webpage, click a video, and I’m watching a video. At no point am I presented with any form of TOS prompt, so I have to assume my behavior is acceptable for YouTube.

The only thing I’m doing differently from the average person is blocking ads, not by changing any of the code on the page, but by essentially blocking things at the network level. At what point have I committed piracy?

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Let’s say I browse to a YouTube link. I have an ad-blocker, so ads don’t load. How can I read the TOS when the video already played? I can’t agree to the TOS yet because I haven’t read it yet

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No, it wouldn’t stand in court.

Blocking ads is technically allowed by law, including copyright law in most countries I am aware of, while it’s against Youtube’s ToS.

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I don’t get how that relates to ungoogling your life but OK.

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No, I just find it strange coming this from him. Call it a collateral topic, these things happen in a discussion.

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Because his video got removed for ad blocking and/or talking about third party clients

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