Calls for special deal to be struck for NT, which has biggest funding gap between public and private schools

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Yeah, and if parents want their kids to go to the private schools, let the damn parents pay for it. Not the government. The entire point is for the lion’s share of government funding to go to schools open to all (or at least all students within a catchment area) and who are bound to adhere to the same rules as every other government-funded school.

Private schools are already charging extra. Let them charge more. The only change is that those parents who do want to send their kids to private school will either have to pay the extra or accept that their kids will have to go to a public school.

The fundamental issue of education is that if a school can choose its students, it will be a better school.

It ultimately comes down to funding. Pretty much all of those ‘better’ public schools have more money than the others, mostly due to being in higher income areas and having parents who are able to contribute more, give to fundraisers, etc.

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The fundamental issue of education is that if a school can choose its students, it will be a better school.

It ultimately comes down to funding. Pretty much all of those ‘better’ public schools have more money than the others, mostly due to being in higher income areas and having parents who are able to contribute more, give to fundraisers, etc.

No I don’t think it’s funding at all. None of the things that make a good school cost much money. Sure, the fancy private schools have nicer uniforms, go on more excursions, have better sports equipment, etc, but none of that has much impact.

What really has an impact is allowing the school to choose its students. For example if a kid threatens to kill a teacher in a public school, they are politely told “don’t do that” and… that’s it. There’s basically nothing else the school can do. Not a hypothetical example by the way, it’s a real one. In a study a few years ago, 99.6 per cent of Queensland public school teachers claimed to have “experienced workplace bullying” and most of them were bullied by students. I know lots of teachers, and they back that up with their personal experience.

The official state school line is they have zero tolerance to bullying, but the reality is very different. The reality is the only real options the school has is to send the kid to another school, which doesn’t work because there’s often no other school in the catchment area, or send the kid to jail / juvenile detention, which is only an option for extremely serious offences. Bullying doesn’t get you sent to juvy (and it shouldn’t). All the school can really do is ask the parents to do something - but in reality most parents are far less equipped to deal with behavioural issues than a school teacher.

In a private school - those students are kicked out. That’s a real consequence and the result is better behaviour by students.

If basically every teacher has been bullied, that means every student is being bullied as well. I don’t want my kid to go through that shit if at all possible. Which is why I’d like my kid to go to a private school. Not because they have better funding, but because they can choose their students.

While there are some expensive private schools, a lot of them (e.g. the one a couple blocks from my home) are very affordable. It’s cheaper than sending a kid to childcare for example.

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Doesn’t matter how logical you are: the net effect is that in the immediate, some kids who could have gone to private schools (with great familial effort) won’t be able to and thus receive a lower quality education.

Will you sacrifice the quality of your kids education for the greater good?

History, cause we have seen all this before, says you won’t.

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Will you sacrifice the quality of your kids education for the greater good?

History, cause we have seen all this before, says you won’t.

Your question implies that I wouldn’t believe they could get a good enough education at a public school (which frankly says more about you.) If I were to have another child and needed to send them to school, I would absolutely send them to a public school, even if I could afford the “best” private schools.

So while I reject your assertion that it’s as cut and dried as ‘private school=better,’ the answer is yes. I would.

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I am not saying that private is always better, but the catchment rules for public mean that your kids might be going to a relatively bad public school just purely due to demographics.

History says that educationally minded parents are unwilling to send their kids to such a school…which further entrenches that schools low performance.

You might be willing to do so, but the aggregate are not.

It’s why this situation is politically fraught: short voting incentives prevent politicians from fixing it as it costs them their voters.

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Your question implies that I wouldn’t believe they could get a good enough education at a public school (which frankly says more about you.)

Yeah - I think that’s the key difference between you and most people (like me) who prefer private schools.

I know my local public school. It has a bad reputation among all my friends (many of them are teachers, some have taught at that school). The NAPLAN results show the student education levels are “Well Below” the Australian Standard level. The data over the years show it’s falling behind as well - worse every year than the year before.

The local private school, on the other hand, scores “Well Above” on NAPLAN. And the tuition fee is only $10 per day.

I would love to not pay $10 per day. And I’m also not particularly keen on the religious shit they’ll expose my kid to. But realistically the only two options I’m willing to consider are the private school, or selling my home and buying somewhere else with a better public school. Not keen on moving to be honest.

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