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Somehow, all these pleas on behalf of the downtrodden never include us actually making any sacrifices or change, just the rich.

Weird how it’s easy to agitate for change when it involves zero sacrifice on your part.

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That’s bullshit. Same argument corporations try to push on us about climate change. Fish rots from the head down. Obviously there will be sacrifices we have to make. But to preach “what will YOU be giving up, huh??” when megacorps and gazillionaires hoard literal mountains of wealth to the detriment of the planet and all others while they purposely stand in the way of any progress or change that might affect their bottom line? Bootlicking at worst, misguided liberal soapbox bullshit at best.

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Lol, I love “bootlicking” on Lemmy, as far as I can tell it’s used the same way trump uses rigged, that is to say “I don’t like it!”

I mean, on climate change, farming is one of the biggest contributors and as fat as the fat cats are, the 333 million non billionaire Americans eat a boatload more beef than the 750ish billionaires. Meanwhile, in terms of say, children losing their limbs mining the cobalt for our phones, the 333 million are way more responsible. Same story for sweatshops. Same for air travel, oil consumption etc.

But man, actual change on our part would be hard. Way easier to rail about billionaires online and feel snugly superior rather than actually doing the work.

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Why are Americans eating so much beef?
Advertising, paid for by the rich.
Subsidization, this would have been lobbied for by the rich.
Health advice. Being British, if I told my doctor I ate beef daily they’d strongly advice against my daily beef eating. In America health care is a for profit system, its not profitable to have healthy citizens.

There’s probably a bunch more but case and point the issue is out of the hands of most working class American’s.

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Oh wow has Lemmy gotten big enough that now people bring it up in every comeback post the way people do with Reddit? Awesome. That’s gonna so fun.

Call it whatever you want. The fact of the matter is that you complaining about Americans eating beef will change nothing, while enacting policies punishing the corporations producing the bulk the waste on Earth will. But hey, I’ll bite, I don’t eat meat, and I don’t drive a car, since I work from home. So what else should I do to make you happy? Not have a smartphone, because smartphone bad? I’ve had the same one since high school, but sure, I’ll stop using that too. Now, what? Absolutely jack shit. I’m not feeling “snugly superior”. What I’m feeling is tired of randos, probably in my own damn tax bracket, defending the corporations and billionaires literally producing everything being consumed. Good luck convincing those 333 million Americans you googled to stop eating meat and dairy, which they have been convinced is necessary to live due to misinformation campaigns. Good luck convincing them driving the cars that those companies have and continue to lobby infrastructure for. Good luck convincing each and every single individual to basically halt their entire life as it currently is, one by one. Those Americans who have a very rich history of listening to others. That will be much, MUCH easier than targeting the corporations, and DEFINITELY much more effective.

You came to try to shame me and apparently all of America for refusing to do the work, because you interpreted me saying “corporations and billionaires are a bigger problem” (because they are) as “we shouldn’t take any individual responsibility”. But I’m the one being snugly superior lmao. Dunno why, but this is always argument people with your viewpoint make. Nobody said we shouldn’t take individual responsibility. On the contrary, I think we should all stop driving cars, and cut back on the insanely bloated levels of consumption in this country, alone. But I can only do so much. I can’t do shit about what you or every other person in this country is doing. And when people call for changes, especially involving policies for the some of the biggest polluters on the planet in a country whose politicians frequently block any such change, sauntering into the room and going “oh wow but you have a phone lol” doesn’t amount to anything but bootlicking. Because you’re not advocating for anything; nobody is arguing against personal responsibility. But when will it be their responsibility? They didn’t ask for your help, and they certainly don’t need it. So if it ain’t bootlicking, it’s just fucking pointless.

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Way easier to rail about billionaires online and feel snugly superior rather than actually doing the work.

did you try abstaining from beef? the meat industry grows every year. did you try abstaining from smartphones? sweatshops? air travel? your decisions made no difference.

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farming is one of the biggest contributors

all of agriculture makes up about 20% of our ghg emissions.

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Ok… if i give up my phone, i feed a family for a week. If bezo gives up a yacht, he feeds 1,000 familes for life. See the problem here?

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Except there are many more non billionaires than billionaires. There are some 750ish billionaires in the US.

Median American has a net worth of about 200k. So, 5,000 median Americans gets you about a billion.

Divide the American population (~333 million) and lo and behold, worth about 66,666 billionaires.

So, in other words, blaming billionaires is easy but really…

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Yes, which is why step taxation was implemented… the richer you are the more you’re expected to return back to society.

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