lemm.ee

10 points

2 months ago

Do you just not understand how voting actually works?

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Rekorse@sh.itjust.works

-2 points

2 months ago

You do understand you can’t force people to vote how you want them to right? Pretty basic concept of voting you are missing.

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3 points

2 months ago

Who’s forcing anyone to do anything? You can stay home and jerk off to how righteous your protest vote was and none of us will actually force you not to. Whether or not you recognize that it was just another vote Trump didn’t have to overcome to win is on you.

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Rekorse@sh.itjust.works

-2 points

2 months ago

Force, coercion, manipulation maybe. Pick whichever word is right for you. If your position is that there is only one valid perspective for everyone in this country, then you are part of the problem.

You will never browbeat people into joining your position, but you keep trying and call it a good effort all you want.

If you really wanted to change third party or undecided voters opinions, I’d recommend a different approach.

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1 point

2 months ago

I notice you left out “Persuasion.” If you think the presentation of facts regarding the basic function of our voting system is somehow force, coercion, or manipulation, then I can see why you would want to do your part to get Trump elected, and you’re a lost cause.

Either Trump or Harris are going to win the election. No third party candidate has any serious chance of winning, and nobody who actually understands how the election works thinks they do. You are ALLOWED to vote third party if you want to (see how nobody is FORCING you not to?) but doing so is just another vote the real contenders don’t have to beat. If you’re more left leaning, that means it’s a vote Harris would have had that Trump doesn’t have to beat.

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Rekorse@sh.itjust.works

0 points

2 months ago

The huge mistake you make in the freedom to vote is that people are free to vote for WHATEVER REASONS THEY WANT TO.

No matter how many times you say it, if I vote for the green party, I am not voting for the republican party.

I’m telling you this because your rhetoric is doing the opposite of what you think it is. Putting third party voters on the defensive, and again avoiding any conversation about why they would vote third party in the first place, is an awful way to change someone’s mind.

Calling people Russian shills or saying they don’t care what happens to the country doesnt help either.

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1 point

2 months ago

I haven’t called anyone a Russian Shill, sounds like a guilty conscience. And again, nobody is forcing you to vote in any particular way, you absolutely CAN vote however you want, for whatever reason you want, but there are consequences. You could vote for Jill Stein, you could vote for your neighbor’s cat. Both have the same chances of winning the election, and both are another vote Trump doesn’t have to worry about overcoming in his effort to win. No matter how hard third parties try, none of them will ever, ever get more votes in a presidential election than the big two, and the more people you sway to your side, the fewer votes the main candidate you otherwise most agree with will get. Welcome to First Past the Post voting, nobody likes it but it’s the system we have. If you want third party candidates to stand a shred of a chance, you have to change the system of voting, which would be ideal.

To be clear, I completely understand WHY someone would want to vote third party. The thing is, that literally doesn’t matter. Only the result matters. Like you said, people can vote how they want for whatever reason they want, but they still only get one vote. Either your vote will contribute to Trump not winning, or it won’t. Nobody said your third party vote is a vote for Republicans, but it’s not making their barrier to victory any more difficult, they’re already guaranteed to beat any third party opponent as it is.

If you don’t care about that, and you just really really want to stage your protest and hope that Mr. Worst Case Scenario still loses, that’s on you.

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