I don’t understand why there are so many people who consider themselves “Marxist feminists”, but at the same time are distracted by astrology.
The origin of feminism is working class, and as a working class movement, it is materialist. I don’t know if they at least know what dialectical materialism is, since they don’t see such an abysmal contradiction between astrology (pseudoscience) and feminism (materialism).
They remind me of the liberal “feminist” Gloria Steinem.
And the same with some anarchists.
What do you think about it?
Sorry, but I never assumed it was women who considered themselves Marxist feminists in the first instance, I wrote “people”. And I’m not taking astrology as “a hobby I do in my spare time”, I’m referring specifically to the anti-materialism implicit in it, taken worryingly seriously by supposedly materialist people.
This is very silly. Not everything needs to fit into a “materialst/anti-materialist” box.
What about reading works of fiction? Playing card games? Watching movies? Studying languages? Learning a skill? None of these have anything to do with materialism or production. Are the people engaging in them, “anti-materialist”? Are the activities “anti-materialist”?
There’s absolutely nothing wrong with astrology, its a fun hobby like anything else.
There’s nothing anti-materialist in fiction because it doesn’t claim predictive capabilities on reality, there are anti-materialist things in astrology because it claims predictive capabilities on reality.
in fiction because it doesn’t claim predictive capabilities on reality
Lots of works of fiction make claims about reality.
there are anti-materialist things in astrology because it claims predictive
How seriously those are taken is up to the person. You’re treating astrology in a way that most people interested in it don’t. Its less of a religion and more like a magic 8-ball.
I will ask again: SO WHAT?
99.9% of people who “practice” astrology do not take it seriously. I have many friends who are into it, I myself have been into it in the past and the idea that people actually think it’s serious is just a massive joke. A small group of people probably take it seriously but then you get fanatics in literally every hobby.
The problem I saw is that you are assuming that by “distracted” I mean a “hobby”, I don’t mean a hobby, I mean an addressing of ideals. I have absolutely no problem with people having hobbies, mainly because it would be so stupid to be against it. Also, you are mistakenly believing that I attacked women in the first instance, I mean, what?
It’s funny that you say 99.9% of people, and then immediately after that you refer to you and your friends. Just because your friends take it as a game, doesn’t mean that there are people who don’t take it completely seriously, and go around judging other people solely by the position of certain planets and stars, not by their ideas constructed based on their material conditions.
Also, you are mistakenly believing that I attacked women in the first instance, I mean, what?
You are the one who was making it about feminism in your original post despite it having nothing to do with your point.
It’s funny that you say 99.9% of people, and then immediately after that you refer you to your friends. Just because your friends take it as a game, doesn’t mean that there are people who don’t take it completely seriously, and go around judging other people solely by the position of certain planets and stars, not by their ideas constructed based on their material conditions.
A small group of people probably take it seriously but then you get fanatics in literally every hobby.
I did in fact address that point? And at least I gave a sample group for my argument, unlike you who is just saying it’s “taken worringly seriously by supposedly materialist people” without elaborating. Who are these materialists who are supposedly taking astrology seriously? Because from what I am seeing in this thread, absolutely nobody is taking astrology seriously, they are just defending people’s right to enjoy it as a hobby. Again, I have hung out in astrology spaces. The people who actually take it seriously are a very small minority of astrology fans, just like how a small minority of sports or gaming fans take it way too seriously.
