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In one sense this is much worse, and more terrifying than the run-of-the-mill IED’s used by militant groups. Having to be suspicious of everything around you would be maddening. It’s indiscriminate mass psychological warfare, where the collateral damage goes way beyond the people actually carrying the devices.

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OK, I’m gonna tell a little story that we used to tell in my part of the country. In my part of the country they grow a lot of watermelons.

So there was this watermelon farmer who got upset that everybody kept sneaking into his fields at night and taking watermelons.

So he came up with his great idea that he put a sign at the edge of the field that said one of these watermelons is poison. Now he knew that no one could take a watermelon cause they wouldn’t know which one was poisoned. He was quite proud of this idea.

So we came back in the morning to see how his sign worked. And sure enough no watermelons have been taken overnight.

However, he noticed the number one on his sign had been crossed out and somebody had put two.

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However, he noticed the number one on his sign had been crossed out and somebody had put two.

That is both genius and a total Bond villain origin story.

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Imagine if China, Taiwan or Korea would start doing this shit. Or maybe they already have! Maybe the device you are reading this on would explode in the event of war!

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In another thread I was also performing that thought experiment, specifically related to the possibility of Chinese hobby drones being banned for national security purposes, while at the same time possibly allowing Chinese made EVs to be sold in America. It’s inconsistent if nothing else. A car would be a much more terrifying IED than a pager. Shame on Israel for showing the world that acts like this are not immediately condemned as acts of terrorism and unanimously rejected as being a bridge too far.

Edit: actually it looks like there may be consistency: https://www.newsnationnow.com/world/china/us-to-propose-ban-on-chinese-software-hardware-in-connected-vehicles/

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Don’t you just have to watch out for your Hezbollah-supplied devices?

Also, fat chance they could pull the same thing off again

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Yeah, Hezbollah absolutely fired their IT guy after the second time it happened.

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It’s Hezbollah. They likely killed him thinking he’s a mole.

People here really have forgotten Hezbollah is also a monstrous group. One monster existing (Israeli government) doesn’t negate the other one existing too (Hezbollah).

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How is it “indiscriminate” if solely Hezbollah operatives were targeted?

A booby-trapped baby stroller is indiscriminate - it goes off when anyone touches it, friend, foe, or child. Israel attacked the communications of its enemy and literally nothing else. That’s inherently discriminating between friend and foe.

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It’s indiscriminate because Israel doesn’t know who is in proximity of the device when it explodes, or even if the target is nearby. It’s no stretch to think one of the targets could have been frisking a journalist or aid worker when their device detonated.

That being said, the “indiscriminate mass psychological warfare” comment I made was about how the effect of blowing up common devices as an act of war will have negative psychological effects on everybody who was nearby and probably even those in Lebanon who were not nearby, and potentially even Lebanese people who were in other countries who have family back in Lebanon.

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It’s indiscriminate because Israel doesn’t know who is in proximity of the device when it explodes

But they do know. They know that it’s an agent of Hezbollah, or else they would not have been issued a pager by Hezbollah.

It’s no stretch to think one of the targets could have been frisking a journalist or aid worker when their device detonated.

Ok, but that didn’t happen, so clearly it is a stretch. You’re asserting that Mossad achieved better than 99% target accuracy by accident, but the fact that it’s better than 99% proves it was no accident at all. It was a deliberate and discriminate attack on a terror network responsible for more than 8000 indiscriminate attacks on Israel in this year alone.

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How is it “indiscriminate” if solely Hezbollah operatives were targeted?

Because said operatives were often within exploding distance of civilians when the pagers were detonated. Shrapnel, even from a small explosion, can be deadly and has a fairly large range. Especially if you don’t have line-of-sight to your target before detonating the device; you have no idea what or who is nearby when it goes off.

“Explosive” and “targeted” generally don’t go hand-in-hand.

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