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Who is this article for?

It doesn’t address the real problem here: That first past the post voting is a broken system and that main party candidates should make more effort to fix this glaring hole in the voting system.

Because fptp is garbage, third parties are little more than a method to undermine a candidates opposition (in the US in 2024 the green party is ironically propped up in part by the republican party)

By leaving out fptp it just sounds like anti democracy drivel.

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10 points

I wish we had ranked choice voting, it just makes so much more sense

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Yeah, and there are two major parties that don’t really want ranked choice voting. lol

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There is really only one major party against ranked choice voting. Every year, Democratic caucuses vote to add ranked choice voting to their platform. Democrats have managed to get Ranked Choice Voting in several cities.

Republicans do not. Republicans repeal RCV. Every RCV repeal in the US was done by Republicans.

Both parties are not the same, and if you really want a third party candidate, you’re better off getting rid of every Republican you can.

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Most all Harris voters agree things need to be changed.

We also agree that NOW is not the time for that. Just, let’s make sure the orange man stays out of power first before arguing what to change.

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That’s nice dear, you’ve said this exact same thing since Reagan.

When is the right time?

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I’m down for December of this year

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first past the post voting is a broken system and that main party candidates should make more effort to fix this glaring hole in the voting system.

The Democratic Party would rather lose to the Republican Party than change the rules to allow for a multi-party system.

That aside, the major parties don’t want to reform the system they have because it’s worked very well for them. Our parties are incredibly old by world standards. The Democrats have been around since the 18th century, and the Republicans have been around since the 1850s.

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Some level of election reform will be on the ballot in 9 states this fall. Make sure you vote, if you can!

Also worth noting that these efforts are generally led mainly by democrats, with support from some moderate republicans. In contrast, 10 republican-led state legistatures have passed outright bans on RCV. One of these parties is not like the other!

https://www.npr.org/2024/06/05/nx-s1-4969563/ranked-choice-voting-bans

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The democrats supported RCV in my state.

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The Democratic Party would rather lose to the Republican Party than change the rules to allow for a multi-party system.

That’s a weird false dichotomy. Why are you painting those as the two options?

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The problem is if you believe this entirely then there’s no mechanism to affect parties. Which is easy to disprove.

The overarching reality is that the parties are affected by things: culturally there’s been a long period (150 years) of slowly unrestricting people with lots of resistance. Then there’s also a economic right wing drift for decades, largely along capital accumulation lines.

I buy the idea that the parties are hard to affect but the idea they are impossible to affect seems ahistorical.

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Lol there’s definitely a way to affect them.

Two actually.

One is $$$$

The other one you aren’t allowed to propose.

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The Democratic Party would rather lose to the Republican Party than change the rules to allow for a multi-party system.

Exactly! I wish I could upvote you more than once, friend!

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