There used to be a Kbin instance called feddit.online, which was shut down. @Jerry@hear-me.social just announced on Mastodon, that he brought feddit.online back to life, this time using PieFed. PieFed is a pretty neat alternative to Lemmy and Kbin/Mbin, created by @rimu@piefed.social and of course itâs fully free and open source on Codeberg: https://codeberg.org/rimu/pyfedi
It has some cool features like âTopicsâ, which are basically groups of multiple communities that you can view all at once (similar to these Lemmy feature requests: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/3071 https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy-ui/issues/1113).
You seem to be implying that Iâm arguing something that Iâm not? This thread started with me lamenting that piefed.social accounts are prohibited from accessing NSFW communities, and inquiring whether feddit.online would have the same policies. Along with some commentary on the general state of the threadiverseâs culture.
Note that I havenât asked either admin to host said communities, and I specifically acknowledged the caching issue. Nor am I advocating for them to be treated on absolutely equal footing; theyâre specially marked so that people who donât want to see them can filter them out, which I think is a good thing.
what do you think will happen if you create an online space and put a big billboard saying âhere you will always be free to share your NSFW contentâ?
If youâre specifically advertising it as focused on that, then thatâs likely what youâll get. If you allow NSFW but donât center it, youâll end up with something like Reddit, Twitter, or pre-ban Tumblr. While there are things to criticize about those sites, very little of it has to do with porn.
Content discovery of porn should not be as easy and it should not be trivialized under the pretense of âsex positivityâ.
Why? That absolutely sounds like a sex-negative attitude to me. Itâs treating sexuality as something toxic that needs to be suppressed and hidden even from those that are interested in seeing it. Sex positivity means treating sexuality as a normal thing that is not unusual for people to be interested in.
advocating for them to be treated on absolutely equal footing; theyâre specially marked so that people who donât
You lamented the fact that unlogged users can not see it and that they can not be found as easily. This is the same as âmake it available to the public without any type of checkâ.
Itâs treating sexuality as something toxic
Sexuality != Porn, and âtoxicityâ is dose-dependent. Eating a bit of broccoli is good for you. Too much at once and you get thyroid dysfunction.
There are plenty of things that are good and normal, but need to be discussed/presented with a proper context and (most importantly) people need to have a better understanding of the potential bad consequences if it is abused or corrupted.
You donât see young people destroying their lives because they were promised they could make a lot of money by knitting sweaters or working as electricians, but cases of vulnerable women who regret getting into sex work are infinite.
You lamented the fact that unlogged users can not see it and that they can not be found as easily. This is the same as âmake it available to the public without any type of checkâ.
Behold! (nsfw) - no login required, just an âare you 18+?â prompt, which is pretty standard. You can also search for NSFW communities without logging in. If youâre being more moralistic about this than Reddit is, youâre probably taking it too far.
Sexuality != Porn
Porn â Sexuality. Also, I intentionally used a broader term here, because what Iâm advocating for is expansive, not restricted to just porn. For example, I miss r/bdsmcommunity and r/sex, which are discussion-only. However, you donât get those kinds of communities growing in a place as structurally and culturally prudish as the threadiverse.
âtoxicityâ is dose-dependent.
Yeah, porn is about on par with video games in that regard. Yet we (rightly) donât suppress gaming communities here.
You donât see young people destroying their lives because they were promised they could make a lot of money by knitting sweaters or working as electricians, but cases of vulnerable women who regret getting into sex work are infinite.
Câmon, donât get all SWERFy on me now. That regret is a direct result of (drum roll)⌠sex negative culture! (And capitalist labor exploitation.)
âIf you think sex workers âsell their bodies,â but coal miners do not, your view of labor is clouded by your moralistic view of sexuality.â
Look, I want a world in which, to the extent that jobs continue to be a thing, acting in commercial porn is just as normal and unremarkable as any other job, and people donât get all judgy about it. Same (hopefully robust) labor protections too. We donât get to there without abandoning pearl-clutching attitudes towards the resulting product, among other things.
âIf you think sex workers âsell their bodies,â but coal miners do not, your view of labor is clouded by your moralistic view of sexuality.â
If you are going to start a conversation by attacking a strawman, then I really will not get into it.
acting in commercial porn is just as normal and unremarkable as any other job
If this is your idea of being âsex positiveâ then I really do not want to get into this argument. I can guess this will quickly play out to any objection as âpearl clutchingâ and I will stick to the point that your attitude is completely dehumanizing and that there is nothing âpositiveâ about reducing sex to the mechanical/physical act.
Like I said in the first comment, if you feel so strongly about this, go ahead and create your own and see how far it goes. When you start putting some Skin In The Game you will get more credibility or at least accept that things are Just Not That Simple.
Behold! (nsfw) - no login required, just an âare you 18+?â prompt, which is pretty standard.
I just tried, itâs the same on https://lemmynsfw.com/
