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89 points

The worst part is it’s not that far fetched, we’re actually pretty lucky that valve isn’t massively predatory and we didn’t end up with bobby kotick instead of gaben

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57 points

The reason Valve is not massively predatory is because they aren’t publicly traded and remain a private company.

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27 points

We got lucky.

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This is true, but it’s not the only factor. Staying private allows a company to not be predatory, but it definitely does not guarantee it - it simply allows the executives to choose. It’s the combination of Valve being private and Gaben always staying true to his values despite his incredible wealth that gave us Steam in its current form.

I’ve known plenty of private companies that were as shitty as a public one, or more. Quality executives are vanishingly rare, particularly at this level of company value.

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I’m incredibly wary of what will happen if/when he retires or dies. I hope they have some sort of iron clad succession plan in place.

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Staying private allows a company to not be predatory, but it definitely does not guarantee it - it simply allows the executives to choose

Public companies can choose that too, they’re just mostly run by horrible people.

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39 points

The entire gambling lootboxes were massively popularized by Valve, turning Team Fortress 2 from pay2play to predatory gambling.

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TF2 is not and has never been pay for anything except cosmetics.

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I come from a time where we all lost our shit over horse armor being sold. Your comment just reminds me they have normalized things. They won.

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… and they could put an end to the black market for skins and the gambling at anytime, but refuse to do so. This would get rid of the account stealing mostly too.

Not to mention that Valve had to be forced to follow consumer laws in some countries by expensive lawsuits.

It was also Valve who started the “you do not own your games” shite, by forcing the connection of licences to an account and a gaming client, which got rid of the ability to resell your games or to have at least the game’s installer offline available.

I’ll never get why Valve always gets a pass. Would it be worse if Steam was owned by Epic / Tencent / Activision …, no doubt, but that doesn’t make it great.

If someone want to give praise I would point to GOG. Not perfect but at least I own my licence to the point that I can install my games from an installer I have archived on my HDD (no deleting the game, no forced updates, no adding MTX at a later time, no taking away licenced music), I can go to earlier versions of Early Access games if they change it for the worse and more.

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And valve tried to push the paid mods shit, too bad people forget too quickly. Not saying valve is straight up bad, but they aren’t your friends either

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Why are you against mod creators getting paid for their work? Some mods are amazing and definitely deserve some money.

The store shouldn’t get a cut though. But if that’s what you mean, let’s call that out specifically.

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I guess because I never played TF2 back then my experience of games having predatory gambling mechanics was mobile games with the f2p and low costs pushing towards different ways to monetize. Seemed inevitable once mobile gaming exploded and makes up a larger portion of revenue than PC and console gaming making other companies want to copy it.

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