The belief that Israel’s actions amount to apartheid, ethnic cleansing and genocide are “worthy of respect in a democratic society”, an employment tribunal has concluded in a landmark decision.
That’s an awful lot of words to say “I don’t know what Zionism is”
Anti-zionism isn’t opposition to Israel or Israelis existing. It’s opposition to Israel existing as a colonial apartheid ethnostate that oppresses everyone not of the favored ethnicity and religion.
Did you check the first reference to the article you linked. There is a less modern , more widely used prior definition that just explain what zionism is. Zionism is just thinking israel as a state can exist. If you oppose the existance of a state with one of the strongest military in the world , chance is you might have to fight some people. Maybe you guys dont agree on the same definition of zionism. Antisemitism seems to do that. I cant care less about israel existing or not , or is it legitimate. Im just saying they arnt going to agree to leave their country. You guys are delusionnal.
And yes . By EVERY DEFINITION, really every, antizionnism oppose the state of israelnas a concept. Two state solution still imply zionism. You guys discovered this conflict last years and still need some catch up.
Zionism is just thinking israel as a state can exist
Nope. That’s what AIPAC, ADL, and other de facto Israeli government agencies want people to think so they can tar everyone who’s against the genocidal apartheid state as the genocidal ones.
If you oppose the existance of a state
I specifically said that that’s not what anti-zionism is. Are you just going to ignore everything I tell you that doesn’t fit your Hasbara gaslighting narrative?
Maybe you guys dont agree on the same definition of zionism.
Because your definition is a gross oversimplification used for propaganda purposes and doesn’t describe what we’re against.
Antisemitism seems to do that
And there we go with the “being against the actions of the state of Israel must mean you hate all Jewish people” bullshit.
You know what’s ACTUALLY antisemitic? Conflating all Jewish people with a fascist apartheid regime that many if not most Jewish people don’t approve of, let alone consider themselves represented by it.
I’m just saying they arnt going to agree to leave their country
Nobody is asking them to. Please stow your army of strawmen.
You guys are delusionnal
This you?
By EVERY DEFINITION, really every, antizionnism oppose the state of israelnas a concept.
That’s just flat out false. Zionism is a political ideology, not a country.
You might as well say that republicanism (in the original definition of “against monarchy”) is opposition to the states of England, Denmark, and Spain existing.
You guys discovered this conflict last years and still need some catch up.
Bitch, please. I’ve been arguing for the human rights of Palestinians and against the atrocities of the fascist apartheid regime since before the Oslo Accords. I bet you weren’t even alive back then, based on the level of maturity you’re displaying.
Point by point argument only make sense if you bring some evidence to your claim. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Zionism
The definition seems to make different sense depending who read it. It appear that we cant even come to an agreement about the foundation of our argument. I dont advocate for an israel state , i dont think it was particulary fair as a decision , i would be antizionnist by this definition. But ultimately i dont care enough to choose a side because i heard about this conflict from my early childhood and it never trully changed.
But my point is more anti zionnism is by definition , originaly, historicaly and etymologicaly ; anti israel. And if you want a two state solution you accept the existense of a zionist state. So you cant be anti zionnist and for a two state solution. As for your age and your militantism you cant bullshit anyone. There is no way someone so deep into this modern rhetoric would have an history of following this conflict. 15 years ago anti zionnist was asking for the end of israel and it was possible to still make a difference with antisemitism. Even though it was more of a conceptual stance as everyone agreed about the implication. Now the separation is way more blurry with modern polarization of opinion.
I still dont see what is the possible outcome of this conflict if we start reconsidering the existence of israel as an ethnostate. You are basically cornering ideological radicalized zealot into a total war solution. They have a lot of power and will use it to serve their ideology. And it isnt even a two state solution. You seems to think this world will somve this issue peacefully when both side are radicalized beyond any turning point.
