Comment by MoonlightFox@lemmy.world on Norwegian government to set 15-year age limit for using social media

You are correct, but i’d like to expand a bit on how it could be solved.

It requires that all major social networks use BankID for all traffic from Norway.

Bypassing it would require a VPN, which is a simple hurdle.

But the major win here is that parents will enforce this. Parents can point to this law and say that they have to be old enough. As long as enough parents enforce this law and the VPN requirement is there, then it will probably be effective enough

So you need a BankID to open an account on the covered platforms? That seems like a privacy nightmare.

Everyone in Norway has one, well like 99,99% or something. It is a requirement for banking.

It is used for all banking services in Norway. When you get your own bank account at 13 or something you also get BankID.

it’s a privacy nightmare as it relies on google and apple servers to authenticate verification. neither of which are private. it also makes it impossible for european alternative operative systems to enter the market - giving a foreign state, the US, full control over what we can and can’t do.

Can you elaborate a bit on the google and apple servers for authentication? My impression was that this system uses its own platform.

BankID is it’s own trusted platform. It is not connected to any of them. I am not sure if I understand what the other person is trying to say. Maybe they are afraid that Google and Apple can use BankID verified sessions to better identify the user?

They are using the phone SDKs to verify that BankID was correctly installed, much like any other client side DRM.

We have SmartID and MobiilID in Estonia too, but you don’t need it to log onto social media. You only need it

Right. But Facebook shouldn’t have that number.

As far as I understand, BankID actually abstracts away those numbers. FB have to use an API, and more or less receive a true or false on their query.

They recently opened up for using BankID to prove your age at bars and such, and I think they only get to know if person is old enough or not. Not even a number, just old enough.

This is the right way to protect privacy. Auditable government departments have your data anyways. They don’t provide the data to companies, but they answer questions like “old enough to drink?” With yes no answers.

The government can keep a log of what sites asked for such a proof though, and better assume they do.

If truly masked, it might be fine. But the site has to gather that data in order to append it to the API call and it, therefore, mean that they could keep it (even of they actually may not). There are ways around it, such as with session tokens passed between the social media’s page and the bank’s official API page. But, knowing fb, they won’t use the latter.

Obviously not, it’s like Google authentication , you log into a site, doesn’t mean the site can see your Gmail.

In Scandinavia every citizen has a registration number and the government has deployed state-enforced online digital identity system.

It’s not a privacy nightmare if you can trust the government. And in Scandinavia you generally can.

I mean… the government already has all your information. If you distrust them with your information, you have an odd problem to overcome. The corpos, however, shouldn’t have all this data on you.

Depends on where you live. Many places you can’t trust the government and they know almost nothing about you.

That’s a fair point.

I’m not Norwegian or in Norway and I’m definitely doing this - my kids know of the problems of social networking (including the latest TikTok court docs and what the execs say.)

Some friends say that’s over the top; I just say it is responsible, involved parenting. I value their mental health.

And a 14 year old kid using a VPN is probably not the target audience for a lot of the worst abuse.

Not saying it won’t happen, but a drastic reduction is better than none.

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