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I believe aliens exist, somewhere in the universe. Statistically it seems inevitable, I just don’t believe they’ve visited earth or even know we exist, just like we don’t know they exist. You can sit on something like that, there would be much better evidence than grainy fake looking videos and second hand accounts.

Earth is a very early stable planet, I’m sure there will be lots more species in the coming billions of years. We might even be the most advanced civilization in the galaxy. But we’ll probably never contact anyone else, best we do is notice signs of life on a distant planet.

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I know this sounds kinda kooky but personally my (completely no basis) guess is that UFOs (in the most convincing video evidence) are some kind of natural phenomenon that exists partially outside of our understanding of physics. If they have some sort of intelligence and they aren’t just random noise, I think they would be so different from us as to be utterly unparsable. If all that is true and they interact with us, their motivations would be similarly unknowable.

I’m depressingly not convinced faster than light travel will ever be possible, especially for humans or human-like organisms…

I’m very interested in them though. I’m very hopeful that studying them seriously might lead to some incredible insights about physics.

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depressingly not convinced faster than light travel will ever be possible, especially for humans or human-like organisms…

I think you’re right, the only chance we’ll ever have at reaching another habitual world (if we ever even detect one well enough) is with cryogenics and/or colony ships. It’ll take hundreds, possibly thousands of years till we’re at that point thought. Especially when our civilization puts so little into space travel. We should really have a moon base at this point.

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Corridor Crew has debunked the Pentagon videos as camera artifacts and optical illusions: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHDlfIaBEqw

These guys are filmmakers and really know cameras, optics and VFX so I have confidence in their explanations.

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Not what I would call debunked. They pointed out the nothingburger of the lot as a nothingburger, and then for the hard to explain ones they just had possible guesses, and only commented on the videos themselves and accounted for none of the reported contexts of the videos. They basically contributed by talking about lenses and then saying they don’t know what is in the videos.

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Gonna be real dude I have a lot more confidence in the Navy than I have in “these guys from YouTube”

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Exactly this. There’s no serious doubt about what those videos show: image processing and sensor artifacts.

And those fake voiceovers made by UFO conspiracy theorists, lol.

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The NHIs being discussed by Grusch and others have not been stated to be ETs, but rather the current thought is interdimensional.

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That wasn’t the current thought in the hearing, he expressly stated that that was one interesting possibility that was discussed in a purely theoretical context

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This seems like a very weird view considering the amount of people who have been saying that they communicate telepathically with us.

Could be future humans for all we know.

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I take peoples claims of telepathic communications with aliens with the biggest grain of salt I can find.

I can’t assume there are none that are real, but I can and will assume all day that some people just have alien themed mental quirks. And I don’t think poorly of people with less believable stories, I’m just interested in the evidence that is more difficult to explain away.

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Just so you know, faster-than-light travel is not necessary to explore the stars. With enough constant acceleration (which seems to be achievable with the tech that these craft have demonstrated) you could go pretty much anywhere in the galaxy in your lifetime. The obvious downside is that the further you go, the more time-dilation becomes an issue for everyone else. For example, you may travel ~9 light years to Sirius in a matter of months from your perspective, but 10 years pass for everyone else. Still, if your goal is to explore, I find this to be quite a decent trade-off, and given that we are already making strides in life-extension that time may become a non-issue very quickly.

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7 points

You have massively misunderstood physics if you think that people could travel faster than light and cross a galaxy in a single lifetime

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I don’t want to be rude but this isn’t correct as far as my understanding. I’m no expert, so I’m not confident in my ability to describe exactly how… But the phrase “you may travel ~9 light years to Sirius in a matter of months from your perspective, but 10 years pass for everyone else.” I don’t think that is correct exactly.

Again not trying to be rude and I am very happy to be corrected but I want to understand it.

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Or the universe is a dark forest, where civilizations that reveal themselves get snuffed out by more advanced civilizations so they can’t pose a threat in the future.

I read to much sci-fi.

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I’ve always liked the theory, well more interested as it’s a pretty terrifying concept. I just don’t believe interstellar and lightspeed travel is common/easy enough for aliens to devote so much effort into seeking out life, travelling for hundreds/thousands of years just to destroy any other lifeforms it detects. There’s no benefit to either party really, any resource you could get on a habited planet you could find on a number of uninhabited ones without the massive expense of an intergalactic “war”.

Plus we’ve been sending out signals for years, we should already be dead - unless the aliens are going to take 1000 years to get here. And I don’t see how it’s worth it.

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There’s a short story by Harry Turtledove titled “The Road not Taken.”

You should read it.

Basic synopsis: The secret to faster-than-light travel is trivial. It’s incredibly easy. So easy, in fact, that most species become spacefaring pretty early in their technological development. But, for one reason or another, we just never noticed it, and never developed the technology. So where other species’ development stagnated as they put all their resources into interstellar conquest, we just… kept developing. So when aliens find us and launch their invasion, we kick the complete and total ever-loving dogshit out of them and steal their technology. Look at me. I am the captain now.

It’s relatively short, available online, and you could probably read it in 20 minutes. It’s definitely worth a read.

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Yeah it’s just a theory and one that’s not likely true, but I recently read the Remembrance of Earth’s Past trilogy and the dark forest theory plays a central role in those books so it was fresh in my mind. Fascinating and terrifying to think about.

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