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14 points

Me neither. I was convinced this mad times are finally over with harris and that we could have convinced her to stop supporting genocide-Bibi.

Now we have this fucking dictator loving orange clown, again. FFS how can people vote for this motherfucker after those 4(or even 8) years of nightmares (Biden did not manage to undo all the horrible stuff trump has done)

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50 points

Biden did not manage to undo all the horrible stuff trump has done

He expanded upon them

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-6 points

I would not say that personally, but I respect your opinion.

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30 points

Biden literally expanded the border control/immigration policies that Trump set. Factually and literally, he did expand on them.

Liberals need to fuck off with the “well, actually no in my opinion” when it comes to debating literal facts. This is facts. Biden expanded multiple things created under Trump and even gave himself unlimited power knowing that Trump was likely running against Kamala.

Can you actually put up a debate or reasoning behind your thoughts? Or do you usually just go “NUH UH!”

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51 points

we could have convinced her to stop supporting genocide-Bibi.

That was never going to happen, she was adamant about her support for Israel even when it was obviously detrimental to her.

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-4 points

Well, she is not the only person to decide, and there are more democrats in favour to stopping the genocide than there are republicans with own opinions.

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36 points

Most of the Democrats are pro Zionism.

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33 points

Democrats have been in power since the current genocide began

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39 points

I’m sorry to differ but all Harris will do is toe the line and preach “reaching accros the aisle” and support the genocide…

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20 points

Yes, I agree with you, my friend. Also, Hartz is not ideal. But we were hoping that there would be American pressure on it to stop the genocide, unlike Trump, he doesn’t care about anyone, he’s crazy

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-2 points

Yea, but we would had have a chance talking reasonable with her, since she is thinking more or less rational unlike some other orange idiot.

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20 points

Her “I’m speaking!!” to Palestinian protestors is proof of that alone. Her constant support and funding from AIPAC is another as well.

What fantasy world do you think genocide Kamala would stop supporting Israel or start supporting Gaza?

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10 points

Sorry, I come across as bitter and cynical, maybe you’re right, maybe things would change. I just don’t have much hope left anymore, and I wasn’t particularly impressed by her run for the presidency, and her tendency to deflect important questions.

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32 points

We can’t depend on Democrats to stop Trump, this is now incredibly well proven. We have 4 years to figure out something else.

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4 points

I fear many won’t survive another 4 years 😞

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3 points

That’s fine, but it doesn’t change anything. It’s time to get offline and start fighting even if everyone is gonna die. Let me know if you don’t know where to start.

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15 points

I was also wondering how these people agreed to him in the elections. This world has become full of lunatics. Even Haaretz and Trump are two sides of the same coin. He will say continue the war and Haaretz will say stop the war while continuing the genocide.

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-1 points

There is never the choice between good and bad, but Harris had more good than trump, which in my opinion has none good other than chaos which may lead collapse to new societies which may or may not be better…

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12 points
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What exactly? Trump said mean things? What about Kamala is good/better?

Both wanted fracking/oil drilling Both didn’t care about trans people (Kamala: we have to follow the law) Kamala actively put marginalized people from her community into jail on marijuana charges while Trump bankrupted a few casinos. Both want hostile relations with China.

If anything, Kamala/Joe ramped up two wars. Trump actually wants to end Ukraine. (we’ll see)

So how exactly is either one worse? Orange man say bad thing?

Edit: You know what, I could give you “character”. Sure. Creepy orange guy. Then again, the democrats ran Biden…so.

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