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this is sort of what i mean here, by the way. you are the sort of person who is going to, if Ukraine starts executing Russian soldiers or taking retributive action against citizens of Ukraine who support Russia for whatever reason, be the first in line to defend that on these frankly horrifying grounds.

How dare you say I would find that acceptable.

That is not acceptable conduct for a moderator.

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How dare you say I would find that acceptable.

your argument necessitates finding conduct like that acceptable if it occurs, whether you believe that or not. you already think it’s acceptable to use bombs that are widely regarded as unlawful and criminal and which disproportionately kill civilians because the threat is existential—how is it suddenly beyond the pale in such circumstances under your premises to execute Russian soldiers (the people literally fighting to end Ukraine’s existence)? and mind you, i’m also not the one who just said “War sucks, people, including civilians, die.” in response to someone objecting to the use of cluster munitions on the very basis that they will kill innocent people. if you’re not understanding why someone would say you’re passively or actively fine with Ukraine killing non-combatants, i’m not entirely sure what to say.

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your argument necessitates finding conduct like that acceptable if it occurs

It really does not and you’ve completely misrepresented that poster’s argument. You can try to make the argument that their claim and executing POWs can be linked, but I think it’s absolutely ridiculous. Support your opinion, or try to make a logical connection, if you like. At the moment, you’re just putting words in someone else’s mouth.

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Support your opinion, or try to make a logical connection, if you like. At the moment, you’re just putting words in someone else’s mouth.

i think i’ve more than substantiated the point—it seems pretty clear to me that the poster just refuses to bite the bullet because they recognize biting said bullet would cast them as kind of psychotic. as with them: it’s not “putting words in their mouth” because you don’t like the conclusion of your own logic.

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how is it suddenly beyond the pale in such circumstances under your premises to execute Russian soldiers

No, that is NOT the issue. You said I would be first in line to defend them executing Russian soldiers. Which is absolutely false.

Don’t put words in my mouth.

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No, that is NOT the issue. You said I would be first in line to defend them executing Russian soldiers. Which is absolutely false.

okay but… under your established premises, what is the distinction between using cluster bombs and this hypothetical—and why would you not be other than now recognizing how your position kind of inevitably leads to war crime apologia and not wanting to bite that bullet? arguably i’ve, under your premises, given you something more justifiable to work with because at least the hypothetical soldiers at one point were combatants trying to annex Ukraine. the civilians are just existing and are not guilty of anything.

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